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Post by valdez on Aug 11, 2020 21:23:04 GMT
so what are we going to do about these people coming over in them unsafe rubber dingy,s .its said we are going to use the navy cant see what a battle ship is going to do they have tried coming over in a Kayak for gods sake , on news today under maritine law Harry will put us right on this if at sea you must assist any body in danger do we nudge or tow them boats back to France let them land put them on to a ferry back to France or put them through the system i think the numbers on telly out of the last 4000 landed here only 3% have been sent back should we have been firm on day one an say any body coming here illegally deported straight away, today one bout 15 young men risking it but on another was some women an kids perhaps going for the smugglers big time would help
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Post by VanWoman84 on Aug 11, 2020 22:56:51 GMT
Just how desperate do you have to be to get into an inflatable boat at 8 months pregnant?
That said, entering a country illegally is not the way to do it. The boats come from France, which is a safe democratic country. They can be safely returned there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 11:55:17 GMT
I bet a lot wish they hadn't bothered , there was a Romanian girl begging out side Lidl saying she was trying to get the fare home . Interesting slant for begging if she didn't really want too .
Let them on in if there that desperate, I expect to go where I like within reason , why shouldn't they? Fuck all here to take advantage of these days anyway , and we desperatly need farm labourers .
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Post by bernie on Aug 14, 2020 21:20:33 GMT
Just how desperate do you have to be to get into an inflatable boat at 8 months pregnant? That said, entering a country illegally is not the way to do it. The boats come from France, which is a safe democratic country. They can be safely returned there. They can't be returned to France because the French are extremely careful not to "document" them. Extremely sneaky but it means there is no evidence they were ever in France for us to deport them. Everybody knows they were but its how the present rules work. Its one of the 99 reasons why we have to get Brexit sorted so that France can't hide behind technicalities of European law |
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Post by bernie on Aug 14, 2020 21:33:06 GMT
I bet a lot wish they hadn't bothered , there was a Romanian girl begging out side Lidl saying she was trying to get the fare home . Interesting slant for begging if she didn't really want too . Let them on in if there that desperate, I expect to go where I like within reason , why shouldn't they? Fuck all here to take advantage of these days anyway , and we desperatly need farm labourers . Beggers in London were allegedly making enough to make me consider a career as a begger. I'm not proud but the prime sites are sewn up and if i tried to move in I would get a kicking at best and that would be just a warning. A woman with a baby on Victoria station was estimated to be making £200 an hour. And the baby varied from day to day. She wouldn't keep that money. The "pimps" would take it |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 11:56:25 GMT
If beggars in London are making enough to have a decent career ,then it says to me there are a lot of idiots out there to give them that much money . I 99.99999999999% never give money to strangers asking for it , same as I never buy unsolicited goods,ie door to door sales people etc .
That is not to say I would not help anyone who is down on there luck , but there are way more constructive ways than giving money. Its not because I think they will spend it on drink or drugs , that's there choice , I could not care less , I am sure I would have lots if I was destitute on the street.
Someone sitting outside a offy with a note asking for money is not making any effort , and giving them money encourages it.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Aug 15, 2020 13:03:45 GMT
I'm the same @bungo, never give money. I do give food, and food for a dog if they have one. Food and water are basics of life, even if you do (usually) need money to buy them. I suspect most beggars are in some way addicted, and don't wish to contribute to that addiction.
As for the organised begging gangs, they exist because the public do give money to beggars.
In a tourist spot like Covent Garden in London, most of the passers by don't pass the same way again. They only see that person with their hand out once. They feel good when they drop some spare change (which they might not appreciate the value of) into that hand.
The Eastern European beggars come from a culture that honours those that give, it's seen as more than just a good thing. Because of that, there's no shame in begging, and some actually pick it as a job.
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 15, 2020 13:37:50 GMT
at the end of the day these migrants are all ILLEGAL and should be sent straight back, we should have a revolving door policy.
if someone arrives here in a rubber boat they can only have come from France.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Aug 15, 2020 15:18:54 GMT
It seems the problem is proof. If France haven't documented them (and why would a migrant come forward to France if they want to go to the UK) France doesn't have to take them "back".
Yes, an inflatable boat isn't likely to have sailed the high seas for weeks, but the fact still remains people can't be "sent back" if it can't be proved where they came from in the first place, including their country of origin.
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Post by cornishharry on Aug 15, 2020 15:46:51 GMT
send in the gun boats, sink a few rubber dinghies that will stop the buggers
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Post by VanWoman84 on Aug 15, 2020 15:50:18 GMT
Yeah let's drown a few toddlers and pregnant women! That will make the criminal traffickers stop!
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Post by bernie on Aug 15, 2020 16:13:51 GMT
It seems the problem is proof. If France haven't documented them (and why would a migrant come forward to France if they want to go to the UK) France doesn't have to take them "back". Yes, an inflatable boat isn't likely to have sailed the high seas for weeks, but the fact still remains people can't be "sent back" if it can't be proved where they came from in the first place, including their country of origin. Classic Catch 22 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 16:39:26 GMT
at the end of the day these migrants are all ILLEGAL and should be sent straight back, we should have a revolving door policy. if someone arrives here in a rubber boat they can only have come from France. I disagree , they should be given asylum if there case is genuine , which probably is as you would not risk your life in a rubber dinky that cost you more money than you probably have Lonewolf to be 'lucky'enough to get the chance to escape oppresion or what ever . I have personally seen the lengths and efforts people make to get away from a bad life such as Tibet occupied by China . There are people all over the world in shit deeper than a lot of you preppers could imagine , struggling harder than you would even know how . You are an over privallaged clown .That is my opinion . |
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Post by bernie on Aug 15, 2020 21:08:43 GMT
at the end of the day these migrants are all ILLEGAL and should be sent straight back, we should have a revolving door policy. if someone arrives here in a rubber boat they can only have come from France. I disagree , they should be given asylum if there case is genuine , which probably is as you would not risk your life in a rubber dinky that cost you more money than you probably have Lonewolf to be 'lucky'enough to get the chance to escape oppresion or what ever . I have personally seen the lengths and efforts people make to get away from a bad life such as Tibet occupied by China . There are people all over the world in shit deeper than a lot of you preppers could imagine , struggling harder than you would even know how . You are an over privallaged clown .That is my opinion . I think the tragedy is that the truely oppressed don't have the resources to escape from their oppression. The experience in Ireland is that just under half of all the applicants for asylum don't even come from the country they claim to come from. A lot of ireland's screening now is about geography. Language, dialect etc. These false applicants are screwing it for the real ones. |
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Post by valdez on Aug 15, 2020 21:29:53 GMT
i dont give to beggers as a rule but will go an buy them a pasty ,are we doing wrong by taking young people in because who is going to rebuild their own country
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