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Post by cricket on Aug 22, 2020 23:45:41 GMT
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 23, 2020 12:05:22 GMT
anyone who makes personal remarks about another member is by definition a troll.
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Post by graceomalley on Aug 23, 2020 13:13:50 GMT
OK people i did not start this thread so people could have a pop at each other Sad innit?but seems to be the way of the world at the mo x |
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 23, 2020 13:51:22 GMT
its a particular problem on forums when someone has a different opinion and the other person resorts to personal insults.
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Post by valdez on Aug 23, 2020 21:32:36 GMT
its a subject that people will have strong views about coming over in a rubber boat,back of a lorry is wrong can we afford to house feed care for these people and i will lay money that some are bad people a report says quarter of so called children are over 18 so they should be stopped , BUT and this is a big BUT if it was me with my wife an kids trying to get away from war and a terrible life i would be in one of them rubber boats
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Post by bernie on Aug 23, 2020 21:45:46 GMT
Lets look at this from a position of facts. In the past 50 years the population of many very poor countries has trebled or quadrupled. More ore less all the countries along the West African Atlantic seaboard, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Gambia, Senegal, etc have all quadrupled.
To the East, Somalia Eritrea, Pakistan, Afganistan etc the same. And the same increases are happening in every other country in both those regions as well but I am not going to list them all.
The numbers involved are absolutely huge, I am doing this from memory so give me some allowance if I don't get it quite right. Nigeria alone the population is now around 200 million and still growing. Has the economy grown in line with the population? No hardly at all.
Collectively these hundreds of millions of people worldwide are surplus mouths. Their home villages cant feed them or provide them with a future. The land has its own limitations.
So what are the choices for these people? and remember they are human beings with rights hopes and dreams? More and more they are being encouraged to "follow the yellow brick road" That road leads to Calais
But we can't take them, and the more we take the more will be encouraged to follow. They don't have the skills to find a future and employment that will give self sufficiency in this country. And what of the hundreds of millions still behind them?
Charitable good deeds like mass vaccination programmes and digging wells in villages cuts down infant mortality in desperately poor parts of the world but shifted the problem to what then happens to the children that then survive?
World population growth is the problem, the numbers are exploding and not just going to go away because they are people at the end of the day.
We need to keep our eyes on the bigger picture because it is hardly reported. What we are seeing at Dover is nothing compared to what we could be seeing in ten, twenty years time
The reason it is hardly reported is because journalists and politicians have no solutions to offer l
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Post by valdez on Aug 23, 2020 22:06:59 GMT
bernie you make a very good point me an my brother were taking other day im 66 hes 74 when we were kids at school running home with a little booklet with pictures of kids in Africa you went next door an across the street people gave you a couple of pennies the old type they would keep a picture and the money collected would go to water projects so people have been trying to improve things for a very long time
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Post by bernie on Aug 23, 2020 22:31:43 GMT
bernie you make a very good point me an my brother were taking other day im 66 hes 74 when we were kids at school running home with a little booklet with pictures of kids in Africa you went next door an across the street people gave you a couple of pennies the old type they would keep a picture and the money collected would go to water projects so people have been trying to improve things for a very long time So you are the same age as me I'm 66 too. I lived and worked in West Africa for a couple of years in the late 70s I saw life and death on a daily basis. Much like it must have been in Britain in the Middle Ages. Very few men reached 40, people died from trivial things, and the widow could easily then be left to starve. Along with her children, no social compassion, if you weren't a relative. African society was tougher than anything we could ever imagine in this country |
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Post by cricket on Aug 24, 2020 16:45:52 GMT
anyone who makes personal remarks about another member is by definition a troll. A nyone who makes personal remarks about a migrant is by definition a racist. |
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Post by cricket on Aug 24, 2020 16:47:57 GMT
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Post by bernie on Aug 24, 2020 19:25:22 GMT
anyone who makes personal remarks about another member is by definition a troll. A nyone who makes personal remarks about a migrant is by definition a racist. No I don't agree with that, somebody who is breaking the law for their own gain is a criminal. Thats not racist, its just a fact |
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 25, 2020 10:23:12 GMT
anyone who makes personal remarks about another member is by definition a troll. A nyone who makes personal remarks about a migrant is by definition a racist. I never made any personal remarks about A migrant, I said "migrants" plural. |
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Post by cricket on Aug 25, 2020 14:14:52 GMT
A nyone who makes personal remarks about a migrant is by definition a racist. I never made any personal remarks about A migrant, I said "migrants" plural. I think you have made your point.Anyone who is a migrant then.Funny how life goes.If I ever see you struggling in a capsizing dingy in the sea,I will be sure to ask if you are a migrant or not before I decide whether to throw you a rope or a brick?Some of my forebears fled from Bavaria and the nazis to the UK.Fortunately you were not yet born and waiting with bricks on the shore when they managed to get here.  |
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Post by cricket on Aug 25, 2020 14:29:20 GMT
A nyone who makes personal remarks about a migrant is by definition a racist. No I don't agree with that, somebody who is breaking the law for their own gain is a criminal. Thats not racist, its just a fact Ego makes you think I require your agreement?I do not care at all what you think or what your opinion is.I dont know you,nor will I ever meet you.Anyone who actively supports the illegal hunting of foxes with hounds is too far beneath for me to see.However I think you are getting the thread muddled Bernie.I did not say anywhere that Lonewolf was breaking the law for his own gain and is a criminal.I have no idea nor care how Lonewolf gets loot.The conversation was regarding Lonewolfs attitude to migrants being racist.In any case you should not be chatting to me as I am apparently an evil Gremlin. |
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 25, 2020 14:32:11 GMT
you will never see me in the sea or on the sea.
a migrant is by definition migrating, and where they are migrating from Britain is not the first safe country, but they want to come here because of our benefits and free housing, as soon as they hit our shores they go to the top of the list, before anyone who was born here.our government seem to be incapable of sending them back, probably because the migrants destroy all their paperwork, that alone is suspicious. some could be terrorists but we have no way of knowing until they attack.
calling someone a racist is how the left try to stifle debate, its an old trick.
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