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Post by bigbear67 on Jun 12, 2019 19:36:17 GMT
I don't blame the EU at all. All they did was see an opportunity & exploit it for their own gain. I blame the govt who coerced us into joining a "common market" to help our economy, then selling us down the fucking river for their own gain. Course they want to remain, Europe is the biggest fucking gravy train the cunts have ever ridden on!
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Post by boaty on Jun 12, 2019 19:48:24 GMT
the land to be self sufficient because we keep building roads and housing estates on it. I believe we could be totally self sufficient for food if the political will was there. The "universal income" could give everyone a small wage to do the things that need money - diesel for tools, water, electricity, communications. Relaxed planning permission for people who commit to producing 50% of their food from their land. Government supplied "plans" for smallholdings, including classes and cheap materials. Self sufficiency education at school, and much more. It won't happen though, they hate losing control, one side wants to exploit us, the other wants to control us "for our own good..."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 19:54:49 GMT
the land to be self sufficient because we keep building roads and housing estates on it. I believe we could be totally self sufficient for food if the political will was there. The "universal income" could give everyone a small wage to do the things that need money - diesel for tools, water, electricity, communications. Relaxed planning permission for people who commit to producing 50% of their food from their land. Government supplied "plans" for smallholdings, including classes and cheap materials. Self sufficiency education at school, and much more. It won't happen though, they hate losing control, one side wants to exploit us, the other wants to control us "for our own good..." Do the math and get back to me on that one. There is not enough land in the uk available for crops, per person. You could start growing stuff vertically but population in the UK has grown since the 2nd WW. Why do you think we had rations then huh and there was less of us then. Sorry but you need to investigate this a bit more. Agreed though the government could make things a lot easier but they won't when there is money to line their back pockets. They don't care about us peasants. They have already being practising genocide with the benefits system and Gove was reported to have said he wants to Gas us all like they did with the jews. Lovely government we have huh Its coming my friend in fact its almost here.... You need to prepare lol
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Post by boaty on Jun 12, 2019 19:59:21 GMT
I believe we could be totally self sufficient for food if the political will was there. The "universal income" could give everyone a small wage to do the things that need money - diesel for tools, water, electricity, communications. Relaxed planning permission for people who commit to producing 50% of their food from their land. Government supplied "plans" for smallholdings, including classes and cheap materials. Self sufficiency education at school, and much more. It won't happen though, they hate losing control, one side wants to exploit us, the other wants to control us "for our own good..." You need to prepare lol I'm already prepared, have been for years. I'll post here again when I've done some maths ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:08:43 GMT
Yeah you are probably more prepared than I am Boaty !
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Post by boaty on Jun 12, 2019 20:50:54 GMT
Well, I've exhausted Google and it seems that nobody is sharing any information about the UK being able to grow enough food. Perhaps Treestump is right, it's not possible. However, I have a book by Jeavons that suggests otherwise, here is a link to some details: www.sfgate.com/homeandgarden/article/How-to-Grow-More-Vegetables-Than-You-Ever-2763656.phpObviously we won't be able to grow bananas etc., but with a transition to a less-meat diet we could probably survive.
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Post by bigbear67 on Jun 12, 2019 21:35:03 GMT
I reckon we could grow enough if we stopped wasting the amount we do. Thousands of tons of food thrown away each week & they say we can't grow enough to survive? Bollocks if you ask me. I waste as little as possible but how many of you peel all your veg before cooking? How many throw the remains of a large meal away? I cook all my veg with peel still on & will eat the same meal for 5-7 days if it lasts that long rather than throw it. Very little wasted & certainly never any meat gets thrown out, I class meat waste as a lack of respect for the animal it came from. Sell by & use by dates mean nothing to me, if more people lived this way, there would be more chance of self sufficiency.
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Post by boaty on Jun 13, 2019 17:25:11 GMT
I reckon we could grow enough if we stopped wasting the amount we do. Thousands of tons of food thrown away each week & they say we can't grow enough to survive? Bollocks if you ask me. I waste as little as possible but how many of you peel all your veg before cooking? How many throw the remains of a large meal away? I cook all my veg with peel still on & will eat the same meal for 5-7 days if it lasts that long rather than throw it. Very little wasted & certainly never any meat gets thrown out, I class meat waste as a lack of respect for the animal it came from. Sell by & use by dates mean nothing to me, if more people lived this way, there would be more chance of self sufficiency. Absolutely Spot On BB - one day all people will live your way, I hope.
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Post by bernie on Jun 13, 2019 22:12:43 GMT
The answer is because the Spanish growers are getting massive subsidies from the EU that British growers don't get Where did you get that from? I've just read a fair bit of the common agricultural policy and can't find a single thing to back up your anti EU propaganda. Saying that Spain receives 15% of the total agricultural subsidies where as Britain only gets 9% of the total budget. Now before anyone gets a here soap box out shouting about how to thats unfair, Spain has 15% of EU agriculture whereas Britain only has 9%, same % as the monitory split. A farmer is Spain receives the same subsidies as a farmer in the uk per hectare. Per hectare - exactly! Yes but land is dirt cheap in Spain, vast tracts are barren and worthless, like a scene from a spaghetti western, in fact they actually filmed a lot of the spaghetti westerns in Spain. Nothing would ever grow there, but that doesn't stop the farmer claiming his subsidies does it? Not only Spain, Italy, Greece were all milking the subsidies on an incredible scale. In Italy apparently even the Mafia is involved its that big. It was the same on the West Coast of Ireland, land too boggy to grow a crop but the farmers were driving round in brand new Range Rovers. A farm has to be a certain size, I think its about 13 acres, before they can claim subsidies but all the little small holdings and market gardeners in Cornwall who used to grow salad stuff, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers and the like in greenhouses were all denied the subsidy and they all went bust overnight. In France the small farmers are allowed to pool their land to create "cooperatives" and claim the subsidies that way but the British authorities would not allow our small farmers to do the same. Even when shown clear evidence of the French doing it. Don't ever get the idea that agricultural subsidies are fair or honestly claimed because its yet another example of the EU failing miserably to regulate itself.
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Post by bernie on Jun 13, 2019 22:26:41 GMT
Well, I've exhausted Google and it seems that nobody is sharing any information about the UK being able to grow enough food. Perhaps Treestump is right, it's not possible. However, I have a book by Jeavons that suggests otherwise, here is a link to some details: www.sfgate.com/homeandgarden/article/How-to-Grow-More-Vegetables-Than-You-Ever-2763656.phpObviously we won't be able to grow bananas etc., but with a transition to a less-meat diet we could probably survive. It is definitely not possible for us to grow all our own food as a nation, that's a given.
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Post by pyke13 on Jun 14, 2019 11:46:46 GMT
Where did you get that from? I've just read a fair bit of the common agricultural policy and can't find a single thing to back up your anti EU propaganda. Saying that Spain receives 15% of the total agricultural subsidies where as Britain only gets 9% of the total budget. Now before anyone gets a here soap box out shouting about how to thats unfair, Spain has 15% of EU agriculture whereas Britain only has 9%, same % as the monitory split. A farmer is Spain receives the same subsidies as a farmer in the uk per hectare. Per hectare - exactly! Yes but land is dirt cheap in Spain, vast tracts are barren and worthless, like a scene from a spaghetti western, in fact they actually filmed a lot of the spaghetti westerns in Spain. Nothing would ever grow there, but that doesn't stop the farmer claiming his subsidies does it? Not only Spain, Italy, Greece were all milking the subsidies on an incredible scale. In Italy apparently even the Mafia is involved its that big. It was the same on the West Coast of Ireland, land too boggy to grow a crop but the farmers were driving round in brand new Range Rovers. A farm has to be a certain size, I think its about 13 acres, before they can claim subsidies but all the little small holdings and market gardeners in Cornwall who used to grow salad stuff, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers and the like in greenhouses were all denied the subsidy and they all went bust overnight. In France the small farmers are allowed to pool their land to create "cooperatives" and claim the subsidies that way but the British authorities would not allow our small farmers to do the same. Even when shown clear evidence of the French doing it. Don't ever get the idea that agricultural subsidies are fair or honestly claimed because its yet another example of the EU failing miserably to regulate itself. That's funny as the Scottish crofters receive subsidies from the EU, sorry I will rephrase that. The EU pays the Scottish crofters a subsidies but it's handed to westmonster who seem to forget where they put it and don't deliver it to the crofters. It's some place in the region of 3 million pounds they steal from the crofters. That kinda ruins your argument that they don't pay British small holders or crofters. It's westmonster that won't pay
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 15:13:47 GMT
That's funny as the Scottish crofters receive subsidies from the EU, sorry I will rephrase that. The EU pays the Scottish crofters a subsidies but it's handed to westmonster who seem to forget where they put it and don't deliver it to the crofters. It's some place in the region of 3 million pounds they steal from the crofters. That kinda ruins your argument that they don't pay British small holders or crofters. It's westmonster that won't pay Its actually a lot more than £3 million Scottish Hill farmers are owed £160 million from that shower of crooks In London. Source: www.heraldscotland.com/news/17554195.snp-uk-government-has-160-million-of-eu-payments-owed-to-scottish-farmers/
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Post by pyke13 on Jun 14, 2019 16:22:37 GMT
Stumpette as we all know brexiteers don't believe in facts and figure, they prefer made up stories and anti EU facist propaganda. I doubt any of the brexiteers on here will even bother to look at the link you've shared, it may just prove one of there FACTS to be a MYTH and we all know fact figures and sense doesn't figure much in their thinking
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Post by bernie on Jun 14, 2019 16:38:44 GMT
Stumpette as we all know brexiteers don't believe in facts and figure, they prefer made up stories and anti EU facist propaganda. I doubt any of the brexiteers on here will even bother to look at the link you've shared, it may just prove one of there FACTS to be a MYTH and we all know fact figures and sense doesn't figure much in their thinking You seem to be very angry about all this. Calling people fascists and getting all insulting doesn't really win people over to your point of view. I'm willing to trade points of view with you but not insults.
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Post by pyke13 on Jun 14, 2019 16:46:16 GMT
Stumpette as we all know brexiteers don't believe in facts and figure, they prefer made up stories and anti EU facist propaganda. I doubt any of the brexiteers on here will even bother to look at the link you've shared, it may just prove one of there FACTS to be a MYTH and we all know fact figures and sense doesn't figure much in their thinking You seem to be very angry about all this. Calling people fascists and getting all insulting doesn't really win people over to your point of view. I'm willing to trade points of view with you but not insults. When did I call you a facist?? At no point ever!!! and yes I'm angry that ppl with deluded ideas are ruining this country and the next few generations future. Bet you still haven't read treestumps link
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