It always makes me smile that the so called eco aware generations that go to Glasto,Reading and others leave such a mess behind.Last year 6000 tents abandoned at both venues and hundteds of tons of rubbish on the ground. Thousands of bikes abandined at Desert Fire....as you say GIST thers a complete disconnect. At least the ER lot did clean up afterwards even if they did bring traffic to a standstill and cause hours of gridlocked cars belching pollution into the air.
MPs need to put their money where the mouths are or declaring a climate emergency is just populist hot air.
What does that mean exactly though? What next. The declaration is meaningless if there's no legislation to back it up.
Yes that's what I wondered! They'd need to bring in immediate legislation to force companies to sell everything either unpackaged or in (genuinely) biodegradegable or recyclable,reuseable packaging. Presumably they'd also need to ban any kind of import that didn't come from an environmentally sustainable source? I'd imagine there are hundreds? thousands? of chemicals that are doing harm so they'd all need to go. Plus fracking, fossil fuels, cows if the stuff about the methane cows produce is true? The mindsets of millions of people need to be changed - I want needs to change to 'only if I need it'. Probably need to ban advertising as well to stop people buying stuff they don't really need. Blimey. Lol, I just think we need such sweeping changes (and it needs to happen globally, not just in a few countries here and there). And all against a backdrop of people who don't even chuck their rubbish in the bin and don't see why they should. I think it's a tall order and I do wonder (sadly) how much is just going to be talk and not much else. Fur coat and no knickers, as my mum used to say! Lol. I hope I'm wrong though. It would be lovely to actually see some action and some decision making that's in the best interests of the environment rather than making sure the big companies can carry on stashing their billions.
Dont think you will find many eco warriors at Glastonbury these days!
Different crowd now. Last time I went Jay-Z was there and Amy Winehouse staggered off the stage to punch someone who was laughing after her "my poor Blake is incarcerated…." ramble.
When Jay-Z came on stage thousands of his fans started pushing their way to the front in the most bad mannered display I've seen there, I left in disgust. Not been back, and won't.
It's a shame, isn't it? I went in 2003 I think it was, with friends who'd been going for many years (back to when you could jump the fence) and they were saying then that hoped it didn't change any more as it had lost it's edge and just wasn't as good. I think quite a few of them carried on for a few years after that but eventually stopped. Do you think they've made festies too comfy? I just wonder if it was more rough and ready and people had to go without their comforts for a few days it would put some of them off and just leave the festies for the ones who are happy to sleep in the mud if it means they get to see a band they like
Yeah I'd like to know that, haven't heard much in the news about it since. You would've thought there would be meetings all the time if the emergency was being taken seriously. There was an article somewhere today about vat on solar panels being too high but apparently that's down to eu law rather than ours.
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In terms of festivals I don't think you should stop big acts showing up just because a crowd is seen as being worse. Maybe it'd do these people some good to just be in a nice festival atmosphere. Can't show peace n love if you're not meeting people.
A lot of Socialist Workers Party involvement behind the scenes. Now one thing you can be sure about is they are only interested in causing trouble for trouble's sake. They couldn't care less about Climate Change
Post by givingitsomethought on May 19, 2019 18:17:08 GMT
I went to the XR meeting at our local library this weekend and it has made me realise I want to learn more. I only stayed for half an hour because I hadn't realised it was a proper sit down talk (I thought it was a go in and pick up a leaflet sort of thing and I had something else organised that I had to get to) but they were basically presenting facts about climate change and possible scenarios for the future (different depending on different studies but none of them positive). Then they started talking about the overall aims of the group and how they hope to achieve what they want to achieve and I had to leave then so I missed the rest but I would have liked to have heard more and it has made me want to read more about it and learn more.
They didn't come across as a load of condescending middle class trendies (quite the opposite) and it felt very welcoming and inclusive (like a cult, one of my friends said ). Lol, but I'd definitely like to learn more and get more involved. I think my own struggle is knowing there is a lot in my own life that could be improved upon in terms of consuming less and generating less waste but I do find it difficult because of time/money/old habits and so on. And I do agree with the things some have said about people talking the talk and not walking the walk; you do need to be doing the eco friendly stuff yourself, although I do think individuals doing it isn't enough in itself. But yes, it was very interesting and I would like to find out more about what they do
Post by givingitsomethought on May 24, 2019 12:46:13 GMT
More protests going on today, several in our area and monthly meetings set up (as far as I'm aware). Mostly the youngsters today, I think. I am noticing more and more where we are (North Devon) that lots more effort is being made by local businesses to sign up to go plastic free and use reuseable and/or recyclable containers and packaging and so on. I think the problem is (and I'm paraphrasing George Monbiot here)that even if everyone made a big effort to do the reduce/reuse/recycle thing it won't make a big difference because we've got such global environmental problems, so it will be like using a teaspoon to bail out a sinking ship.