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Post by VanWoman84 on Mar 4, 2021 22:52:14 GMT
No bernie, I meant only some at one uni. It's in the article.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Mar 13, 2021 21:56:08 GMT
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Post by bernie on Mar 14, 2021 3:30:28 GMT
Didn't look much like a vigil to me, they were told they couldn't hold it but went ahead anyway. No doubt the usual trouble makers were there spoiling it for the rest
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Post by oldkeith on Mar 15, 2021 0:06:37 GMT
The Met missed a wonderful opportunity to gain a public accolade for sympathetic policing. Anybody with half an ounce of common-sense would have seen that the correct thing to to do would be to work with the organisers of the vigil to make it a safe occasion for those attending, and to have had mostly policewomen on front-line duty, with policemen well in the background. There are times when it is necessary to bend rules a little for the general good, and this is always well received.
Whoever was in charge of the police at the vigil obviously had little empathy with either the women attending or the sad occasion itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 17:09:47 GMT
The Met missed a wonderful opportunity to gain a public accolade for sympathetic policing. Anybody with half an ounce of common-sense would have seen that the correct thing to to do would be to work with the organisers of the vigil to make it a safe occasion for those attending, and to have had mostly policewomen on front-line duty, with policemen well in the background. There are times when it is necessary to bend rules a little for the general good, and this is always well received. Whoever was in charge of the police at the vigil obviously had little empathy with either the women attending or the sad occasion itself. I'm umming and arring about this mistake that the Met have made. I'm confused by politicians suggesting that the Met was out of order for enforcing a mass scale breach of covid rules. It would be dumb for the met to ignore this breach having recently broken up other mass gatherings /protests. Common sense people could actually campaign for the right to carry weapons of self protection. There are some nasty mutts in the world that excuse themselves as human beings and many of them could be justifiably killed in the act if only the tools of self protection could be lawfully carried.
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Post by bernie on Mar 15, 2021 17:58:50 GMT
The Met missed a wonderful opportunity to gain a public accolade for sympathetic policing. Anybody with half an ounce of common-sense would have seen that the correct thing to to do would be to work with the organisers of the vigil to make it a safe occasion for those attending, and to have had mostly policewomen on front-line duty, with policemen well in the background. There are times when it is necessary to bend rules a little for the general good, and this is always well received. Whoever was in charge of the police at the vigil obviously had little empathy with either the women attending or the sad occasion itself. I'm umming and arring about this mistake that the Met have made. I'm confused by politicians suggesting that the Met was out of order for enforcing a mass scale breach of covid rules. It would be dumb for the met to ignore this breach having recently broken up other mass gatherings /protests. Common sense people could actually campaign for the right to carry weapons of self protection. There are some nasty mutts in the world that excuse themselves as human beings and many of them could be justifiably killed in the act if only the tools of self protection could be lawfully carried. I agree with you, they were told they couldn't hold it but held it anyway I'm always left wondering how many went for a peaceful vigil and how many were there to cause trouble. There is always a percentage
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 19:45:55 GMT
I'm umming and arring about this mistake that the Met have made. I'm confused by politicians suggesting that the Met was out of order for enforcing a mass scale breach of covid rules. It would be dumb for the met to ignore this breach having recently broken up other mass gatherings /protests. Common sense people could actually campaign for the right to carry weapons of self protection. There are some nasty mutts in the world that excuse themselves as human beings and many of them could be justifiably killed in the act if only the tools of self protection could be lawfully carried. I agree with you, they were told they couldn't hold it but held it anyway I'm always left wondering how many went for a peaceful vigil and how many were there to cause trouble. There is always a percentage Do you agree with me? I made 2 points! I mean that this murdered woman might have had a fighting chance if permitted to carry offensive weapons! One needless death is one too many. There are many needless deaths that might be preventable if victims were lawfully permitted to carry offensive weapons! It is logical and correct. Fucking nanny state ain't nannying enough if it denies protective carry but doesn't provide bodyguard services...stupid and nonsensical is what it is.
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Post by lika on Mar 15, 2021 21:17:24 GMT
Government advisors Shitty and unbalance said this week that there was no risk of virus being transmitted outside just like it wasn't spread by people on beaches. So why send the rozzers in heavy handed for a woman's vigil? Using the covid act bollox as an excuse, when BLM thugs were chucking bricks at police horses and tearing down statues at the height of the so called pandemic the rozzers did fuck all, were in short sleeves and taking the fucking knee.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 21:44:39 GMT
Government advisors Shitty and unbalance said this week that there was no risk of virus being transmitted outside just like it wasn't spread by people on beaches. So why send the rozzers in heavy handed for a woman's vigil? Using the covid act bollox as an excuse, when BLM thugs were chucking bricks at police horses and tearing down statues at the height of the so called pandemic the rozzers did fuck all, were in short sleeves and taking the fucking knee. Scared shitlesss I would imagine. I, for one, can't pretend to care about the statues... Ive a dislike of emblems and figureheads that Lord over the working and enslaved classes. Good call fella. Do ya have a theory to go with it?
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Post by lika on Mar 15, 2021 22:17:58 GMT
Scared shit less? I've been on many a protest/ demo/eviction /festival/party and when the rozzers want they act with military precision and are well trained to deal with it, they have huge numbers are ruthless and are well tooled up, badge numbers hidden , and beating clubs on shields, goading and inciting .
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Post by oldkeith on Mar 15, 2021 22:37:26 GMT
Not to mention snatch squads who dash out and grab anyone looking a bit bolshy, or wearing the wrong T-shirt, etc, and take them in, and plant tins of paint in their jackets, And splitting large groups up into smaller ones with the physical use of horses, pretty much like cattle. And all this on peaceful demonstrations! Been there, seen all that and more, and even had my collar felt. Be under no illusions about why the police are there, and who they are there to serve.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 22:41:30 GMT
OK.
So do you have a theory then?
There equally are examples of police being overwhelmed too.
It would be great for my personal/professional narrative if you would say that the establishment and its cronies are mysoginistic and undervalue women and female dominated professions.
So say that!!!
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Post by lika on Mar 15, 2021 22:43:14 GMT
In saying what I did and in response to Keith thread above ,there were some people in the lines against the rozzers that didn't behave like angels.
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Post by lika on Mar 15, 2021 22:45:08 GMT
OK. So do you have a theory then? There equally are examples of police being overwhelmed too. It would great for my personal/professional narrative if you would say that the establishment and its cronies are mysoginistic and undervalue women and female dominated professions. So say that!!! Why the fuck should I answer to your demands cupcake?
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Post by oldkeith on Mar 15, 2021 23:01:41 GMT
I may have mentioned this here before, but it was probably in the other place, so I will re-mention that on big Union rallies in the 70's most unions did their own policing. I don't know what happened in some of the others, but our engineering lot (AUEW) used to have quite a few 'big lads' as stewards, especially along the edges of a march. If any over-the-top radical bottled a window or in any way exhibited behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace, they would grab him and take him down the nearest alley for a short lecture on proper behaviour. He would generally be left down the alley, and unaccountably exhibit great difficulty walking, so would be unlikely to rejoin the march. Rumour had it that this happened to agents provocateurs from time to time too. There were no comebacks.
Not saying that I am totally in favour of this sort of behaviour, but it was very effective, and we had very little trouble overall.
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