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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 23:06:17 GMT
OK. So do you have a theory then? There equally are examples of police being overwhelmed too. It would great for my personal/professional narrative if you would say that the establishment and its cronies are mysoginistic and undervalue women and female dominated professions. So say that!!! Why the fuck should I answer to your demands cupcake? I don't know. Why would you? You are the opinion less enigma that you are.
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Post by lika on Mar 15, 2021 23:13:20 GMT
Perhaps I'm just a bit pissed and stoned and can't be bothered with your nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 23:36:45 GMT
I may have mentioned this here before, but it was probably in the other place, so I will re-mention that on big Union rallies in the 70's most unions did their own policing. I don't know what happened in some of the others, but our engineering lot (AUEW) used to have quite a few 'big lads' as stewards, especially along the edges of a march. If any over-the-top radical bottled a window or in any way exhibited behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace, they would grab him and take him down the nearest alley for a short lecture on proper behaviour. He would generally be left down the alley, and unaccountably exhibit great difficulty walking, so would be unlikely to rejoin the march. Rumour had it that this happened to agents provocateurs from time to time too. There were no comebacks. Not saying that I am totally in favour of this sort of behaviour, but it was very effective, and we had very little trouble overall. Probably lots of undiagnosed ptsd resulted from all that dodgy shenanigans. What do you reckon?
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Post by bernie on Mar 16, 2021 11:03:30 GMT
I agree with you, they were told they couldn't hold it but held it anyway I'm always left wondering how many went for a peaceful vigil and how many were there to cause trouble. There is always a percentage Do you agree with me? I made 2 points! I mean that this murdered woman might have had a fighting chance if permitted to carry offensive weapons! One needless death is one too many. There are many needless deaths that might be preventable if victims were lawfully permitted to carry offensive weapons! It is logical and correct. Fucking nanny state ain't nannying enough if it denies protective carry but doesn't provide bodyguard services...stupid and nonsensical is what it is. I strongly don't believe that being allowed to carry a weapon would save anybody, because the assailent would always be more prepared and have a bigger weapon. People have to behave in a way that keeps them safe, if that cuts down your choices its just a sad fact of life. There was a woman interviewed on TV saying women are afraid to walk the streets at night. Well, I'm 6ft 2 and an 18 stone biker and I would be afraid to walk down the side of Clapham Common at night. A lot of other places too Somebody mentioned "a peaceful demonstration" I don't think such a thing exists. When I was younger I went on many and always aware of the presence of agitators and their rent a mob wanting to turn things nasty r
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Post by marsh on Mar 16, 2021 11:47:22 GMT
Unfortunately I have seen too many instances of the police deliberately winding up demonstrators, who are otherwise acting perfectly lawfully and peacefully, in order to provoke a reaction. They may be damned if they do and damned if they don't, but if there is a small percentage in every demo out to cause trouble (which, in my experience, has generally not been the case) I am pretty certain there is at least a small percentage of police officers spoiling for a scrap. Of course, once something kicks off aren't the rest duty bound to pile in?
I watched some live feed from Parliament Square on YouTube last evening and, thankfully, the police kept a much lower profile although I understand there were some arrests made after the rally.
In case it sounds like I am in agreement with the msm's accounts that seem to look for some newsworthy trouble I have experienced very little over the decades. It is just that when I have seen it, the police have too often made a simmering pot boil over by the tactics they have employed. If things have gone well I have nearly always made a point of speaking to a police officer afterwards to "thank them for keeping us safe" whether they actually did much or not. That is often when it is possible to get into some interesting conversations and exchanges of views. Sometimes I've been told it was helpful to understand why I felt strongly enough about an issue to attend the demo. I have also taken part in a number of events where there have been no police in attendance at all. The strangest one was being part of a group of a couple of hundred people marching from Victoria Embankment Gardens along Northumberland Avenue, along Whitehall, past Parliament Square and on to DEFRA in Smith Square without any sight of a uniform.
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Post by parrotandcrow on Mar 16, 2021 13:05:31 GMT
Didn't look much like a vigil to me, they were told they couldn't hold it but went ahead anyway. No doubt the usual trouble makers were there spoiling it for the rest It is worth mentioning that William’s wife, our possible next queen to be, attended the vigil and laid flowers. She did not wear a mask making sure that she would be seen and recognised. All the usual culprits and troublemakers eh? Or women standing silently, respectfully and socially distanced? Together in a group because it’s the safest way for us women to be.
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Post by oldkeith on Mar 17, 2021 0:17:27 GMT
I may have mentioned this here before, but it was probably in the other place, so I will re-mention that on big Union rallies in the 70's most unions did their own policing. I don't know what happened in some of the others, but our engineering lot (AUEW) used to have quite a few 'big lads' as stewards, especially along the edges of a march. If any over-the-top radical bottled a window or in any way exhibited behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace, they would grab him and take him down the nearest alley for a short lecture on proper behaviour. He would generally be left down the alley, and unaccountably exhibit great difficulty walking, so would be unlikely to rejoin the march. Rumour had it that this happened to agents provocateurs from time to time too. There were no comebacks. Not saying that I am totally in favour of this sort of behaviour, but it was very effective, and we had very little trouble overall. Probably lots of undiagnosed ptsd resulted from all that dodgy shenanigans. What do you reckon? Among whom? The stewards, or the chaps they gave what was known as 'a good kicking' to? If it was the latter, I can't recall anyone being the slightest bothered, in those days....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 14:13:53 GMT
Probably lots of undiagnosed ptsd resulted from all that dodgy shenanigans. What do you reckon? Among whom? The stewards, or the chaps they gave what was known as 'a good kicking' to? If it was the latter, I can't recall anyone being the slightest bothered, in those days.... Oh both. Very much both.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Mar 26, 2021 23:10:42 GMT
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Post by VanWoman84 on Apr 2, 2021 18:48:55 GMT
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Post by bernie on Apr 2, 2021 21:12:16 GMT
Yes I heard that on the news earlier on. What a pointless waste, whats achieved?
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Post by VanWoman84 on Apr 2, 2021 21:18:05 GMT
I bet he was one of Trump's nutty supporters.
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Post by bernie on Apr 3, 2021 13:36:22 GMT
I bet he was one of Trump's nutty supporters. Apparantly he was one of the Nation of Islam which is actually a militant black African American group en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islambut you were right about the nutty bit
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Post by VanWoman84 on Apr 28, 2021 10:59:25 GMT
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Post by VanWoman84 on May 11, 2021 22:10:26 GMT
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