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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 17, 2020 10:16:28 GMT
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 17, 2020 10:52:14 GMT
I thought that was why we pay road tax every year.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 17, 2020 10:55:25 GMT
I hope they will abolish road tax, in favour of road pricing.
I can't find out what form the charging will take, as in how they will know where you have been.
If it's a black box connected to your CPU, happy days!
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 17, 2020 10:57:47 GMT
they wont get much off me, i've only done 2,000 miles in the last year because of the lock downs, I usually do more like 10,000.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Nov 17, 2020 11:07:17 GMT
I hope they will abolish road tax, in favour of road pricing. I can't find out what form the charging will take, as in how they will know where you have been. If it's a black box connected to your CPU, happy days! I live in the sticks with a shite bus-service and will be hit like a lot of country peeps and poorer peeps as we need our wheels.
If they charge for using motorways and the like providing it's not excessive then fair enough but it'll then drive a lot of traffic onto other roads.
There's many thousands of road cameras across the country and a lot with ANPR (at least 3500 fixed and hundreds more mobile) but the simple answer which insurance companies would like is a compulsory sealed black box in every vehicle. It doesn't even need to be connected to any CPU as it can all be done using GPS which will give vehicle usage and is tamperproof.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 17, 2020 11:09:37 GMT
It won't happen next week, but when it does, you can be people who live in the country will end up paying more than the road tax.
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 17, 2020 11:19:18 GMT
if its just confined to motorways fair enough as I dont use them much, a car is a necessity not a luxury in rural areas.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 17, 2020 11:23:48 GMT
if its just confined to motorways fair enough as I dont use them much, a car is a necessity not a luxury in rural areas. Agreed, the problem is these things never stop at reasonable. Once it's in, it can be expanded and increased in price. |
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 17, 2020 11:33:32 GMT
I'm not sure how thats going to work, some sort of numberplate recognition system perhaps, I drive a 16 year old car which has no computer or sat nav in it.
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Post by bungo@mabungo on Nov 17, 2020 11:34:24 GMT
One thing for sure , those that can least afford it will be hit the hardest.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 17, 2020 11:38:18 GMT
I'm not sure how thats going to work, some sort of numberplate recognition system perhaps, I drive a 16 year old car which has no computer or sat nav in it. Me too, mine I 20 years old and diesel so obviously the work of the devil. The irony of this, is all the panic is because electric cars are free tax and have no specific fuel to tax. |
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 17, 2020 11:38:19 GMT
thats always the way.
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 17, 2020 11:39:30 GMT
I'm not sure how thats going to work, some sort of numberplate recognition system perhaps, I drive a 16 year old car which has no computer or sat nav in it. Me too, mine I 20 years old and diesel so obviously the work of the devil. The irony of this, is all the panic is because electric cars are free tax and have no specific fuel to tax. there are NO electric charging points where I live or anywhere I go. |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 17, 2020 11:46:37 GMT
That's the other thing about electric cars.
Fine if you live in a house and can have your own private charging point (which you would have to pay for).
Rubbish if you live in a flat in a street of flats, with no public charging point in miles.
On a slightly different note, I knew somebody who converted their pickup to use heating oil. They filled it off their heating oil tank. It was illegal to use it in a vehicle because of tax paid (or not paid). I do wonder how many people will have the skills to charge a car off a domestic supply and not pay any more than switching a light on.
I suppose that's what's behind the road charging idea, it's the loss of revenue from road fuel.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Nov 17, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
I'm not sure how thats going to work, some sort of numberplate recognition system perhaps, I drive a 16 year old car which has no computer or sat nav in it. Me too, mine I 20 years old and diesel so obviously the work of the devil. The irony of this, is all the panic is because electric cars are free tax and have no specific fuel to tax. They're bringing forward the ban on new ICE cars to 2030 if I remember right so electric cars will then be taxed. The current 'insurance black boxes -
It would be easy to retrofit a purpose made blackbox just to record vehicle movement and just like household electric smartmeters everything can be transmitted to a central computer which could even detect tampering. Age of vehicle doesn't matter as long as it has a powersource.
At some point all 'taxfree' old vehicles will just be wiped off the road by fuel pricing as electric takes over. I needed leaded 4* for my old bike until I stellited the valve seats and the nearest garage which had it is now gone and was 16 miles away.
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