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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 17, 2020 12:01:42 GMT
There's always a way. As it's legal to use SVO, it would be worth properly converting to veg (fuel heater ect) and run veg. If it came to it, I would have to get over the chemistry experiment that is making diesel.
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 17, 2020 13:44:35 GMT
pretty soon there wont be any shops left and we will be buying everything online so we wont need to travel anywhere.
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Post by valdez on Nov 18, 2020 22:36:12 GMT
they can trace where you have been driving grandsons got a black box in his car because of his age for the insurance anyway he took it in to garage for repairs they took out for a test drive after working on it he got a message on his phone telling him where an how fast he.d gone over the speed limit from his insurance so they can trance you
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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 18, 2020 23:15:39 GMT
The insurance black boxes are installed by agreement though. Is there any country that uses them for road pricing?
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Post by valdez on Nov 18, 2020 23:28:22 GMT
no gal i think they will be put in all types of motored transport they will tell where you have been and how fast no need for speed cameras
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Post by NomadCris on Nov 18, 2020 23:39:51 GMT
Given the price of electric cars theyre not likely to rapidly eclipse diesel and petrol very quickly.Fuel duty is still the fairest form of tax that no vehicle user can escape.
I dont see why electric charge points cant have fuel tax attributed to the units used. At the end of the day the electricity has to be generated somewhere and costs to be distributed and still has an environmental implication that has to be paid for.
Road pricing will have a negative affect pushing traffic onto lesser roads and make rural life even more costly.
Id be very suspicious of how any gps gathered data from vehicle mounted boxes would be used.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Nov 19, 2020 7:55:01 GMT
It's only time before a compulsory blackbox is fitted on all but human powered vehicles and would greatly drop the amount of road-deaths and accidents as well as cut the price of insurance which could in it'self be varied to one's manner of driving. People drive too fast most of the time in restricted areas and lie about accidents. If you don't want a box, simplez, you don't get to drive a vehicle.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Nov 19, 2020 8:02:29 GMT
no gal i think they will be put in all types of motored transport they will tell where you have been and how fast no need for speed cameras They are already in a lot of company vehicles and are damn useful in Yodel as it lets the customers monitor deliveries. |
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Post by NomadCris on Nov 19, 2020 12:45:46 GMT
They probably will end up in all vehickes because weve been sleep walking into the realm of 24/7 invasive personal surveillance for years. There are plenty of electronic technologies available already installed on cars or could be used to limit vehicle speed and avoid collisions without the need for location monitoring or speed cameras.
Blackboxes will police those who tend to already drive responsibly anyway.The serial offenders up to no good will continue to steal cars or avoid insuring their vehicles.Theres over a million uninsured on British roads.
Not much point having laws if theres insufficient funding for an appropriate level of police and the justice system hands out superficial punishment to those who actually get caught.
The country is a joke and government are letting corporates take control of citizen behaviour to avoid financing proper policing and thats a dangerous direction to be going.
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Post by valdez on Nov 21, 2020 23:14:14 GMT
on the plus side if they do fit these boxes to all vehicles surely they could put a tracker in out of sight if it gets nicked
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Post by lika on Nov 21, 2020 23:19:31 GMT
Our leaders should be able to monitor all of our movements ,people we mix with, habits ,likes and even thoughts.
All for our own good of course
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Post by oldkeith on Nov 22, 2020 11:12:56 GMT
A relative who is a long-distance lorry driver told me that he pulled into a lay-by, got out to relieve himself, and had a short smoke outside the vehicle (no smoking allowed inside, and there's a cctv camera in there). When he got back in, there was a call to ask him where he had been, what had he been doing, and to tell him they were docking 15 minutes pay because he had vacated his vehicle at an unauthorised stopping place. Is this usual nowadays?
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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 22, 2020 13:29:46 GMT
Lorry drivers have to, by law take regular breaks so I would have told them that was what I was doing. The company are breaking the law if they don't pay him.
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Post by bungo@mabungo on Nov 22, 2020 19:05:33 GMT
A relative who is a long-distance lorry driver told me that he pulled into a lay-by, got out to relieve himself, and had a short smoke outside the vehicle (no smoking allowed inside, and there's a cctv camera in there). When he got back in, there was a call to ask him where he had been, what had he been doing, and to tell him they were docking 15 minutes pay because he had vacated his vehicle at an unauthorised stopping place. Is this usual nowadays? Yes , some trucks have sensors in seat and passenger seat to monitor activity . They are not even allowed to get ahead of themselves on some multi drop firms so have to hang round . |
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Post by milliemercedes on Nov 24, 2020 15:36:32 GMT
I think fuel pricing is the fairest way.
For the record there is no such thing as road tax. It's vehicle excise duty based nowadays on pollution emitted by a vehicle - sometimes (not in my case, I drive an old diesel racetruck and my VED is very low).
VED revenues go into general taxation, the last time the road fund licence was ring fenced solely for roads was 1937.
These days trunk roads are paid for from all taxation and local roads from council tax.
Let's not forget PPI for major roads, that's where we pay twice (from general taxation).
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