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Post by bernie on May 6, 2023 6:15:20 GMT
Not for the best of reasons though. People should seperate national politics from local politics. You may not want to live under a Tory Government but who in their right mind would want to live in an area controller by a Labour Council?
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Post by NomadCris on May 6, 2023 6:26:49 GMT
Not for the best of reasons though. People should seperate national politics from local politics. You may not want to live under a Tory Government but who in their right mind would want to live in an area controller by a Labour Council? Not much difference between either party,theyre either blue Tories or red Tories under Starmer...dont think many people have much enthusiasm for either and why theres been more of a surge for LibDem Greens and the Independents and RA have lost out too. If Liebore win a landslide at the GE which seems likely simply to evict the Tories, I predict the creepy Starmer crew will be gone in 18 months as no one likes them trusts them or believes anything they say anymore than they do the Tories. Labour are a wealthy old peoples party just like the Tories,theyve got zero to offer the younger generations or people on low income of any age. Typical British Establishment politics...yawn!
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Post by beltfedwombat on May 6, 2023 15:57:43 GMT
Labour is a split party hate to say it went massive far left and as socialist as it could possibly could, under corbyn which made it the party of choice to the champagne socialists and the hard lefters
but the uk has changed the main voters are self employed or have different views these days .
The irony is if the party could you unite with what they have the harder socialists would get a voice in power
Im not keen on starmer myself the other fact i seem to see is he never seems to really put himself out there its seems hes like the right leaning factor of the labour party that the hard left love to hate
All i know is we cant go on as we are change is needed and thats from me a self emplyoyed hard working doing ok dude .
What im thinkng is we need to get some socialist cores back into our society
invest in the next generation, invest in healthcare, build council houses again, and education apprentices
weve become a society thats upn its own arse
My ideas to get doctore
ffs offer free training from all backgrounds as long as your bright enough , in fact all health care but theres a catch
you have to do at least 5 years work after you qualify or you pay your way out thus money back int health service .
similar for nurses teachers most public sector stuff
almost like the bonded 5 year apprentiship my dad did
he couldnt leave till he was 21 but his boss got work out of him and he got a brilliant training
nowadays its cut throat people wont take people on because they are either costly or will set up and pinch customers
Im a weirdo i dont care about old stuff im forward thinkning crossed with nostalga
i hate the fact homes are assets but thats what they are and theres no altering that
IM a weird middle of the road thinking bloke
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Post by beltfedwombat on May 6, 2023 16:02:10 GMT
a fact i havent thought of
yes its a longer time for doctors
were talking what 8 years plus another 5 but the salary and career opertunities are better and longer and more lucretive one day
so a typical doctor might have to do at least 13 years "national health service time " this would bring in a lot of intellignece from a lot of different backgrounds who deserve it.
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Post by NomadCris on May 6, 2023 16:28:38 GMT
its fair enough demanding some minimum period of commitment to service in lieu of the free training youve received...its always been that way in the military...but you also have to reciprocate that commitment by paying decent salaries and funding the service properly that people have committed to serving so that theyre not working excessive unsafe hours and standards are perpetually falling or forced to work second or third jobs or use food banks.( The very fact we have food banks in the UK at all is plain in your face evidence of the abject failure of Tory government policy.) Sadly the UK NHS in 2011 was voted the best in the world and now is close to the bottom of the list solely due to political motivation of the Tory government to destroy it and privatise it and that salary levels in all grades are far worse now than 12 years ago. Similar deterioration applies to virtually every other aspect of UK infrastructure and services.
You cant have world class services -regardless of what those services are - if as a government your only committment to service provision is bottom of the barrel minimum services levels,staffing levels and wages. Thats entirely the Tory philosophy. They don't want everyone to have access to the best unless youre wealthy enough to access them and pay privately.
Most of those people who today decide on policy that affects all of us and aggressively restrict it from certain people in society on lower incomes have themselves enjoyed the benefits of more socially responsible government policies of past post war governments.
Theres no appetite in the UK for socialist government but neither is there any appetite for dog eat dog ultra conservatism of the US either but thats what we are having forced on us.
Torys got forced out of office in 1997 because people were sick of their conservative extremism and corruption and yet here we are again.
UK voters dont seem to learn much but so enjoy being treated like crap and grovelling to the wealthy sociopathic class.
Its entirely that wealthy sociopathic class who have put us in this economic situation and asset stripped the UK for their own personal enrichment and now making us pay for it.
Its Tory and ultra conservative nature to not give a shit about other people and treat people like shit... its entirely why Labour, Socialist and Communist movements sprang up in the first place last century. Treat people like shit eventually theyll rebel.
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Post by lika on May 6, 2023 18:31:07 GMT
All empty vessels for corporate multi national big business, globalist technocrat control.. These are the people running our nations( into the ground). Liebour, Tory's two cheeks of the same arse. It's irrelevant and whoever will carry out the plans of the WEF will be voted in, by foul means if necessary. Puppet Sunak will happily pass the baton to sir Cunt Starmer. Agenda 21/30 is real and is been enacted.
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Post by ma bungo on May 6, 2023 21:02:03 GMT
It's all bollocktics, best ignored , and just be gratefruit you don't get your head choppy with a panga which acctually happens is some places . So I.m told .
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Post by lika on May 6, 2023 21:40:19 GMT
It's not bollox ,the sale of beef and lamb is to be phased out. All spelled out in black and white.
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Post by lika on May 6, 2023 23:02:59 GMT
People looking at this like a game of draughts, Liebour, tory.nhs when the reality is its a game of geopolitical chess to obtain complete control of the masses
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Post by NomadCris on May 7, 2023 14:54:55 GMT
Anyone thinks Labour will save us from Tory shit..is deluded...they are the Tory's ..WEF Torys
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Post by lika on May 7, 2023 19:07:19 GMT
They're all WEF puppets. Fascist - the genuine definition of fascist whether they pretend to be right or left wing. They all serve the globalist masters in carrying out the long planned agenda.
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Post by gentu on May 10, 2023 14:25:11 GMT
Health, Communications, Utilities, Weather and Agriculture - CURRENT EVENTS: physical and mental health, communications, utilities and energy: Orgonite Sky - pollution, warfare and corporate fuckery ... yeah, crazy talk - mebbe: icedrive.net/s/zkbxGgZA6kk5Q3TayD695z1zZCxSTheChembow.com
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Post by ma bungo on May 10, 2023 18:10:41 GMT
Health, Communications, Utilities, Weather and Agriculture - CURRENT EVENTS: physical and mental health, communications, utilities and energy: Orgonite Sky - pollution, warfare and corporate fuckery ... yeah, crazy talk - mebbe: icedrive.net/s/zkbxGgZA6kk5Q3TayD695z1zZCxSTheChembow.com I am currently not looking to increase my browsing , but I would say buyer beware. I have managed to send my self well and truely round the twist with out sourcing internet material! The only stuff I believe is that which is infront of me ,so a screen is just that ,a screen with writing .It might not be true . A blade of grass is true, the air we breath is dodgy possibly but its true ? A screen is just graffiti ,Who gives a fuck about government , etc really ? Its a waste of brain activity . There fuck all you can do , concentrate on your inner self as no other will . make fwends with it if you can. I'm argueing a lot with mine a lot lately, and I blame some of that on taking graffiti on my screen to seriously. Fucking brains!
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Post by gentu on May 10, 2023 19:11:22 GMT
Health, Communications, Utilities, Weather and Agriculture - CURRENT EVENTS: physical and mental health, communications, utilities and energy: Orgonite Sky - pollution, warfare and corporate fuckery ... yeah, crazy talk - mebbe: icedrive.net/s/zkbxGgZA6kk5Q3TayD695z1zZCxSTheChembow.com I am currently not looking to increase my browsing , but I would say buyer beware. I have managed to send my self well and truely round the twist with out sourcing internet material! The only stuff I believe is that which is infront of me ,so a screen is just that ,a screen with writing .It might not be true . A blade of grass is true, the air we breath is dodgy possibly but its true ? A screen is just graffiti ,Who gives a fuck about government , etc really ? Its a waste of brain activity . There fuck all you can do , concentrate on your inner self as no other will . make fwends with it if you can. I'm argueing a lot with mine a lot lately, and I blame some of that on taking graffiti on my screen to seriously. Fucking brains! Spot on Bungo ... over programmed brains are definitely not a bright idea and yep, suffering from data overload too .... my brain has been mangled by "upbringing/education/bad approximations of true relationships with commericalised and televised humanity/so called reality .... I get more sense out of the plants and creatures that have given me itchy bumps (bloody horseflies) ... daisies are cool, trees are glorious right now ... and never mind ecommerce, I find it quite difficult walking round the local Co-op wih all the advertising and packaging design: "buy" "buy" "buy" ..... fuck the fuck off ...... get me outta this place and back to the allotment and the hedgeback. Lots of lovely wild flowers ..... AND the "weeds" grow better than anything encouraged by Monsanto ...... sorry dude ... rant over ..... you got the right idea anyway man ... real genuine frends, getting more in touch with ones spirit and soul ..... gooooood x I just like to keep an eye on the sky and check out the nature of the water supply (the basic stuff of life, air, water, clean food, great music and plenty laughs ... big, heaving belly laughs. I wet myself laughing regularly ..... need to get more fit ... and I don't want a gym membership a posh lycra outfit and loads of competitive crap ... off to get my fork, spade and rake and scythe out out ... that'll do it. Hope you n yours are having a good day - big smile ...
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Post by NomadCris on May 11, 2023 16:36:46 GMT
It is - apparently - world baking day May 17...who knew.
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