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Post by VanWoman84 on Jun 8, 2021 17:26:18 GMT
lika if you read back, it was @zendaze himself that used the term about himself.
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Post by lika on Jun 8, 2021 17:37:06 GMT
Right,Soz.
Cupcakes called it me too.
I just think it's a bit unpleasent.
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Post by itinerantchild on Jun 8, 2021 17:47:36 GMT
I really don't think it's necessary to call someone a C U Next Tuesday. It's pretty unpleasant and is a poor replacement for debate and exploration of discussion. Maybe I'm one for making this post. Neither do I dear boy, I am merely confirming the possible truth in his self affirmation :-) |
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Post by lika on Jun 8, 2021 17:54:23 GMT
Sensitive soul like me (lol) just finds it a tad unwarranted.
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Post by itinerantchild on Jun 8, 2021 17:57:50 GMT
I do not like it myself, but if someone wants to call themselves one then I guess as they have directed it at themselves then most of the nastiness is removed. I am quite certain that he is not one and am quite sure that he thinks the same ! I am just joining in with the playing of the game :-)
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Post by NomadCris on Jun 8, 2021 20:17:43 GMT
It wasnt an intended insult its a statement of facts. Youre entitled to fair reward ive already said that many times but it doesnt suit your agenda. You want the NHS abolished or privatised in your own admission for purely selfish gratification and dont care who that privatisation may harm so long as you benefit in higher pay and are perceived a higher valued employee. Whether you have kids or your views on having kids is irrelevant to the issue as is whether youre a self confessed cunt or not. No one has much sympathy for angry selfish people in general so probably one issue you dont need to take personally. You have the option in your control to go work for the private healthcare golden egg layer if you wanted to. You would probably find such a job before the week is out if you wanted,but youd rather dismantle the entire free at point of entry health system at everyones detriment so that you can continue working where you are with minimal disruption to your job or life routine. Ive worked in the NHS for over 20 years and im in no fairy land about realities or whats wrong with it or what it does exceptionally well and how much it is valued and staff are valued by the majority of users and public. If the job in the NHS is such an anathema to you go somewhere else. As for data sales,im totally against the collection and sale of personal data regardless of who its done by -social media corporates, governments,individuals whoever- i wont ever consent to sale of data on me regardless of how irrelevant or trivial and i dont think the majority of people are happy with what happens to their personal data. I welcome the efforts of any individual or body that actively opposes and thwarts the collection of data and sale of it,id like to see it made totally illegal. Its private data that concerns and belongs to an individual and no one has any commercial or nefarious right to it and its use. I've said my bit. NHS suppresses nurse pay. Private sector or otherwise. Healthcare stats need to be analysed to improve outcomes. Should be done by registered professionals but no one wants to pay for that. Only people with kids see that contribution as irrelevant. Wanna have kids great. Why should I pay you an allowance and contribute towards school fees... How mean? Your gp surgery is run as a private business. How can statistics be usefully analysed when everyone believes that the NHS does it for free. Either your stats inform future healthcare at the cheap cost that people want or they do not and the cost of NHS healthcare rises further. Its economics. Pure and simple. So what if ive got kids,i dont expect anyone to contribute to their upbringing or health costs. I dont have any say on who has to contribute what to whom. I resent paying council tax to parasitic councils but i have no control over what they spend money on or why, anymore than i do about what government spends its income on and how its obtained.Its just the way this country is run. If you dont get a discount on tax because you dont have kids take it up with the politicians, while youre at it you can vent your spleen in how resentful you are about being inadequately paid as an NHS nurse and how undervalued you feel compared to your prospects in a private health environment. It doesnt take much imagination as to what answer youll get. It still comes down to the simple choice,your choice, that if you dont get paid adequately and feel undervalued you have qualifications which the government trained you for and paid for and you can take anywhere you like and get a more fitting employment to your needs and expectations,youre not tied to your present job nor your employer. After 20 years working for NHS my NHS pension is barely 50% of official poverty wage,you dont need to tell me how low pay has been historically in the NHS,probably would have been there another 15 yesrs but for breaking my back but im not bitching about it,i enjoyed the work,had a reasonably comfortable stable life from it and it was always my choice to leave and find better paid work if i was unhappy about aspects of it.I never did choose to leave and resented having to leave a job i loved. It was the NHS that put me back together and got me back on my feet and no cost to myself financially.In the US id have been just another one of those personal bankruptcy statistics due to medical bills. Enjoy funding your medical insurance premiums from your salary when your NHS job goes private. The use of your health stats internally within the system to benefit your own care or others in the NHS is acceptable. What isnt acceptable is the sale of that data to third parties and corporate entities and sold without consultation with patients nor their consent. Anymore than its acceptable to sell your driver and vehicle records to the insurance industry here or outside the country. This Government has a cavalier attitude to privacy and that everything is for sale if its going to benefit themselves or the corporates theyre connected to. Its nothing more than dishonest and corrupt. Theres a huge sense of self entitlement that other peoples property or data is theirs to do as they please just as with social media corporates who feel its acceptable to follow you around the internet all day and steal your personal data or sell it on to third parties. What happened to the concept of explaining your intentions on and asking the permission of participants? The automatic assumption is no one actually has any personal rights and everything is fair game to be sold. |
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Post by muddyboots on Jun 8, 2021 20:51:08 GMT
And the basic point is that there is no need at all for names of any sort to be included in stats
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Post by VanWoman84 on Jun 8, 2021 21:00:03 GMT
That's the thing though muddyboots, even a fake name can be used to trace the data back to you. If I was called Susan, but the rest of the data (age, treatments, surgery ect) were correct, it wouldn't be too hard to work out who the data really belongs to. It's my personal details, and is not for sale unless I specifically say it's OK to sell it. |
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Post by lika on Jun 8, 2021 21:14:53 GMT
And your government and the NHS are totally trustworthy and benign,they never fuck up and all is secure,they wouldn't lie to you.
Your government are liars, they use fear to influence and control your behaviour. They are liars that profiteer from there lies.
If you've been a smack head on methadone withdrawal treatment in the past , do you want this info shared ? How can it help anyone
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Post by lika on Jun 8, 2021 21:37:57 GMT
Not that you can get to see a doctor face to face for diagnosis.over 300,000 undiagnosed with cancer symptoms. 30,000 undiagnosed dementia.
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Post by NomadCris on Jun 8, 2021 21:55:26 GMT
Standard neoliberal practice,you engineer public services to fail then 'rescue' them hiving off parts to corporate interests or total privatisation.
Just a license to print public money for private corporates...same as selling publicly owned private and personal data.
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Post by muddyboots on Jun 8, 2021 22:32:59 GMT
That's the thing though muddyboots , even a fake name can be used to trace the data back to you. If I was called Susan, but the rest of the data (age, treatments, surgery ect) were correct, it wouldn't be too hard to work out who the data really belongs to. It's my personal details, and is not for sale unless I specifically say it's OK to sell it. I completely agree. Data like this shouldn’t be for sale at all. But even if/when stats are analysed within the NHS why the hell do they need names? (Fake or real) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 19:11:30 GMT
I've said my bit. NHS suppresses nurse pay. Private sector or otherwise. Healthcare stats need to be analysed to improve outcomes. Should be done by registered professionals but no one wants to pay for that. Only people with kids see that contribution as irrelevant. Wanna have kids great. Why should I pay you an allowance and contribute towards school fees... How mean? Your gp surgery is run as a private business. How can statistics be usefully analysed when everyone believes that the NHS does it for free. Either your stats inform future healthcare at the cheap cost that people want or they do not and the cost of NHS healthcare rises further. Its economics. Pure and simple. So what if ive got kids,i dont expect anyone to contribute to their upbringing or health costs. I dont have any say on who has to contribute what to whom. I resent paying council tax to parasitic councils but i have no control over what they spend money on or why, anymore than i do about what government spends its income on and how its obtained.Its just the way this country is run. If you dont get a discount on tax because you dont have kids take it up with the politicians, while youre at it you can vent your spleen in how resentful you are about being inadequately paid as an NHS nurse and how undervalued you feel compared to your prospects in a private health environment. It doesnt take much imagination as to what answer youll get. It still comes down to the simple choice,your choice, that if you dont get paid adequately and feel undervalued you have qualifications which the government trained you for and paid for and you can take anywhere you like and get a more fitting employment to your needs and expectations,youre not tied to your present job nor your employer. After 20 years working for NHS my NHS pension is barely 50% of official poverty wage,you dont need to tell me how low pay has been historically in the NHS,probably would have been there another 15 yesrs but for breaking my back but im not bitching about it,i enjoyed the work,had a reasonably comfortable stable life from it and it was always my choice to leave and find better paid work if i was unhappy about aspects of it.I never did choose to leave and resented having to leave a job i loved. It was the NHS that put me back together and got me back on my feet and no cost to myself financially.In the US id have been just another one of those personal bankruptcy statistics due to medical bills. Enjoy funding your medical insurance premiums from your salary when your NHS job goes private. The use of your health stats internally within the system to benefit your own care or others in the NHS is acceptable. What isnt acceptable is the sale of that data to third parties and corporate entities and sold without consultation with patients nor their consent. Anymore than its acceptable to sell your driver and vehicle records to the insurance industry here or outside the country. This Government has a cavalier attitude to privacy and that everything is for sale if its going to benefit themselves or the corporates theyre connected to. Its nothing more than dishonest and corrupt. Theres a huge sense of self entitlement that other peoples property or data is theirs to do as they please just as with social media corporates who feel its acceptable to follow you around the internet all day and steal your personal data or sell it on to third parties. What happened to the concept of explaining your intentions on and asking the permission of participants? The automatic assumption is no one actually has any personal rights and everything is fair game to be sold. Oh dear. What what what then what what what? I'll accept an apology🤔 |
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Post by NomadCris on Jun 9, 2021 21:04:18 GMT
Hell may freeze over,in fact it would,ive nothing to apologise for.
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Post by lika on Jun 9, 2021 21:15:45 GMT
Chriski has released the new Russia mutant variant that is running rampant in Salisbury .It has one infected and the lockdown restrictions need to be ramped up.
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