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Post by VanWoman84 on Jun 8, 2021 13:33:31 GMT
As you can see at the top of the screen, the topic is "Your NHS data is to be sold privately".
I am trying to inform everybody that this is happening. It's not been widely reported. Anybody who isn't happy about the selling off of data can then opt out. Anybody who is happy with it doesn't need to do anything.
I actually read about it for the first time on this very forum. Only today it's been discussed on LBC, which is where I heard the deadline is going forward to 1 Sept.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 13:42:24 GMT
As you can see at the top of the screen, the topic is "Your NHS data is to be sold privately". I am trying to inform everybody that this is happening. It's not been widely reported. Anybody who isn't happy about the selling off of data can then opt out. Anybody who is happy with it doesn't need to do anything. I actually read about it for the first time on this very forum. Only today it's been discussed on LBC, which is where I heard the deadline is going forward to 1 Sept. Aye So who should analyse the data? |
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Post by NomadCris on Jun 8, 2021 13:48:12 GMT
Private health has not guaranteed better pay for medical staff in the US. Nor has it guaranteed safety of employment, 60 odd hospitals go bankrupt every year its a complicit arm of the capitalistvfinancial services and insurance industry which you are always railing against. And, medical health care bills are the number one cause of bankruptcies in the US. Around 530,000 people a year file for bankruptcy due to medical bills. Im sure if anyone were to file for compensation for unwarranted use of personal data it would be fought vociferously and the respective administration put itself into bankruptcy to avoid paying. You deserve better pay i dont argue with that, but ordinary people dont deserve to lose everything they own if they become seriously ill and medical bills render them bankrupt, so that you can feel better rewarded for your work. I'm more flexible than many. And have less to lose. Privatisation of healthcare would work very well for me. I didn't build the system and your intended insult cuts deep but I keep telling everyone that it is a job. I get that people are hallucinating happy fairies and unicorns and spewing their self satisfied pleasure all over the place. I didn't sign up to be a charity worker. Its a job and I want pay that allows me to live. I'm sorry that people think it's OK to settle for hard work and scant reward but that's their miscalculation and mistake. I want fair reward. I don't have kids to settle and can travel to where the work is and quite frankly I'm kinda sick of responsibly child free people criticising me for me being realistic. My problem is that the NHS suppresses nurse wages. My accusation is that this wage suppression is primarily a gender war. I'm trying to live a life not a charity. Competition for my material needs is fierce and expensive. I'm not looking for sympathy which is why I have to be a cunt! It wasnt an intended insult its a statement of facts. Youre entitled to fair reward ive already said that many times but it doesnt suit your agenda. You want the NHS abolished or privatised in your own admission for purely selfish gratification and dont care who that privatisation may harm so long as you benefit in higher pay and are perceived a higher valued employee. Whether you have kids or your views on having kids is irrelevant to the issue as is whether youre a self confessed cunt or not. No one has much sympathy for angry selfish people in general so probably one issue you dont need to take personally. You have the option in your control to go work for the private healthcare golden egg layer if you wanted to. You would probably find such a job before the week is out if you wanted,but youd rather dismantle the entire free at point of entry health system at everyones detriment so that you can continue working where you are with minimal disruption to your job or life routine. Ive worked in the NHS for over 20 years and im in no fairy land about realities or whats wrong with it or what it does exceptionally well and how much it is valued and staff are valued by the majority of users and public. If the job in the NHS is such an anathema to you go somewhere else. As for data sales,im totally against the collection and sale of personal data regardless of who its done by -social media corporates, governments,individuals whoever- i wont ever consent to sale of data on me regardless of how irrelevant or trivial and i dont think the majority of people are happy with what happens to their personal data. I welcome the efforts of any individual or body that actively opposes and thwarts the collection of data and sale of it,id like to see it made totally illegal. Its private data that concerns and belongs to an individual and no one has any commercial or nefarious right to it and its use. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 14:14:27 GMT
I'm more flexible than many. And have less to lose. Privatisation of healthcare would work very well for me. I didn't build the system and your intended insult cuts deep but I keep telling everyone that it is a job. I get that people are hallucinating happy fairies and unicorns and spewing their self satisfied pleasure all over the place. I didn't sign up to be a charity worker. Its a job and I want pay that allows me to live. I'm sorry that people think it's OK to settle for hard work and scant reward but that's their miscalculation and mistake. I want fair reward. I don't have kids to settle and can travel to where the work is and quite frankly I'm kinda sick of responsibly child free people criticising me for me being realistic. My problem is that the NHS suppresses nurse wages. My accusation is that this wage suppression is primarily a gender war. I'm trying to live a life not a charity. Competition for my material needs is fierce and expensive. I'm not looking for sympathy which is why I have to be a cunt! It wasnt an intended insult its a statement of facts. Youre entitled to fair reward ive already said that many times but it doesnt suit your agenda. You want the NHS abolished or privatised in your own admission for purely selfish gratification and dont care who that privatisation may harm so long as you benefit in higher pay and are perceived a higher valued employee. Whether you have kids or your views on having kids is irrelevant to the issue as is whether youre a self confessed cunt or not. No one has much sympathy for angry selfish people in general so probably one issue you dont need to take personally. You have the option in your control to go work for the private healthcare golden egg layer if you wanted to. You would probably find such a job before the week is out if you wanted,but youd rather dismantle the entire free at point of entry health system at everyones detriment so that you can continue working where you are with minimal disruption to your job or life routine. Ive worked in the NHS for over 20 years and im in no fairy land about realities or whats wrong with it or what it does exceptionally well and how much it is valued and staff are valued by the majority of users and public. If the job in the NHS is such an anathema to you go somewhere else. As for data sales,im totally against the collection and sale of personal data regardless of who its done by -social media corporates, governments,individuals whoever- i wont ever consent to sale of data on me regardless of how irrelevant or trivial and i dont think the majority of people are happy with what happens to their personal data. I welcome the efforts of any individual or body that actively opposes and thwarts the collection of data and sale of it,id like to see it made totally illegal. Its private data that concerns and belongs to an individual and no one has any commercial or nefarious right to it and its use. I've said my bit. NHS suppresses nurse pay. Private sector or otherwise. Healthcare stats need to be analysed to improve outcomes. Should be done by registered professionals but no one wants to pay for that. Only people with kids see that contribution as irrelevant. Wanna have kids great. Why should I pay you an allowance and contribute towards school fees... How mean? Your gp surgery is run as a private business. How can statistics be usefully analysed when everyone believes that the NHS does it for free. Either your stats inform future healthcare at the cheap cost that people want or they do not and the cost of NHS healthcare rises further. Its economics. Pure and simple. |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Jun 8, 2021 14:23:56 GMT
As for data sales,im totally against the collection and sale of personal data regardless of who its done by -social media corporates, governments,individuals whoever- i wont ever consent to sale of data on me regardless of how irrelevant or trivial and i dont think the majority of people are happy with what happens to their personal data. I welcome the efforts of any individual or body that actively opposes and thwarts the collection of data and sale of it,id like to see it made totally illegal. Its private data that concerns and belongs to an individual and no one has any commercial or nefarious right to it and its use. Exactly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 14:29:52 GMT
As for data sales,im totally against the collection and sale of personal data regardless of who its done by -social media corporates, governments,individuals whoever- i wont ever consent to sale of data on me regardless of how irrelevant or trivial and i dont think the majority of people are happy with what happens to their personal data. I welcome the efforts of any individual or body that actively opposes and thwarts the collection of data and sale of it,id like to see it made totally illegal. Its private data that concerns and belongs to an individual and no one has any commercial or nefarious right to it and its use. Exactly. By what qualification of meaning is it private? We are all observable beings trying to survive. What details of one's observable existence are suddenly considered private? Doesn't sound like a very charitable or contributary stance to me |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Jun 8, 2021 14:31:25 GMT
As you can see at the top of the screen, the topic is "Your NHS data is to be sold privately". I am trying to inform everybody that this is happening. It's not been widely reported. Anybody who isn't happy about the selling off of data can then opt out. Anybody who is happy with it doesn't need to do anything. I actually read about it for the first time on this very forum. Only today it's been discussed on LBC, which is where I heard the deadline is going forward to 1 Sept. Aye So who should analyse the data? Why does it need analysing? My medical record is a record of the treatment I have had, and information I have given to the doctor on a strictly private basis. I don't care if my records are given a pseudonym or made anonymous, they are not for sale. I don't trust the government to handle the use of the data with any level of honesty or competence. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 14:35:05 GMT
Aye So who should analyse the data? Why does it need analysing? My medical record is a record of the treatment I have had, and information I have given to the doctor on a strictly private basis. I don't care if my records are given a pseudonym or made anonymous, they are not for sale. I don't trust the government to handle the use of the data with any level of honesty or competence. Because those experiences individual to you will correllate with stats of others and might improve health outcomes and save the NHS money😜 The NHS does require participation. If people don't support its essence then I might get my wish of its abolishment and fairer pay for me.😁 |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Jun 8, 2021 14:42:31 GMT
Sorry but to me, that's not a good enough reason for me to consent to some company effectively releasing my private records into the wild.
As I said, I don't trust the current government to do this with any competence, let alone those governments that follow them.
If I have a choice, the choice I make is to not give consent for my records to be forwarded.
The NHS will save or waste money without my medical record being passed on thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 14:49:03 GMT
Sorry but to me, that's not a good enough reason for me to consent to some company effectively releasing my private records into the wild. As I said, I don't trust the current government to do this with any competence, let alone those governments that follow them. If I have a choice, the choice I make is to not give consent for my records to be forwarded. The NHS will save or waste money without my medical record being passed on thanks. It's a moral dilemma though. If you support the Nhs and it's foundation and want it to continue you are really duty bound to provide it with statistics. I'd love for you to be able to opt out of the NHS and I'd love to opt out of it also but it is a compulsory system that relies on your contribution. |
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Post by bungo@mabungo on Jun 8, 2021 15:11:27 GMT
If anyone can benefit from my medical record good luck ,and a pleasure to help , and if anyone thinks they will benefit from my criminal record , well don't bother . My dental record suggests dentists from the 60s were on unchallenged peice work for fillings the cunts .
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Post by VanWoman84 on Jun 8, 2021 15:12:41 GMT
I am not providing the NHS with statistics, as far as I am concerned I am providing information so that I can be treated for whatever condition I present with.
As for your second comment @zendaze, I am not going to be drawn further into a discussion about the NHS. This thread is about the selling of information derived from medical records, nothing else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 16:01:09 GMT
I am not providing the NHS with statistics, as far as I am concerned I am providing information so that I can be treated for whatever condition I present with. As for your second comment @zendaze, I am not going to be drawn further into a discussion about the NHS. This thread is about the selling of information derived from medical records, nothing else. You are providing the NHS with statistics that inform future healthcare whether you like it or not.As said you can't realistically opt out of the NHS... Is the NHS selling data? Will the NHS sell data? Many private businesses already provide NHS services. Your GP surgery is a private business. Social care is provided by private businesses. Transport and ambulance are often provided by private businesses. Is the NHS asking to sell your data... probably not. Might it be beneficial to humaminity if your healthcare statistics were traded to a database in lieu of future enhancements in healthcare.... Probably so. I can't find anywhere that says the NHS can sell your data. I've no doubt that the NHS can pay businesses for services since it already does but that's not quite the same thing. |
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Post by itinerantchild on Jun 8, 2021 16:46:57 GMT
Totally with what bungo said. If people can get better because of experiences that I have had then I give them every right to use my info to help others, though as I have only been to get healthcare or medical advice maybe a couple of times in the uk in the last thirty years I do not think that there is much for anyone to benefit from.
To be quite honest it is not really a subject that I give much of a shit about and it will get very little think time from me as there are much more important and fun things to be spending my time doing !!
Zendaze, I will back up your self confession in that if you would remove the nhs for your personal gain of wanting better job prospects irrespective of the needs of others then indeed you are the cunt that you confess to be !!
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Post by lika on Jun 8, 2021 17:24:46 GMT
I really don't think it's necessary to call someone a C U Next Tuesday.
It's pretty unpleasant and is a poor replacement for debate and exploration of discussion.
Maybe I'm one for making this post.
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