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Post by NomadCris on Sept 10, 2020 13:38:59 GMT
Round here they lurk by the supermarket door or in the car park like the chuggers do...or at least they did until Covid so theres one good thing about it.
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 10, 2020 13:45:56 GMT
I think I saw some in Barnstaple a couple of years ago, havent been since.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Sept 11, 2020 6:18:21 GMT
If this has any truth in it then having a vaccine by next year goes out of the window.
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Post by givingitsomethought on Sept 11, 2020 7:36:27 GMT
Do you think the various governments have a cut off point in mind for when they'll stop waiting for a vaccine and if they have a plan B if one doesn't become available? How would you get it to die out, everyone stay in and no international travel until it's gone? Would that be the only other way to get rid of it if they can't come up with a reliable treatment or vaccine?
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 11, 2020 8:17:17 GMT
most medicines take years, by the time they've done all the testing and getting it validated by those idiots at NICE I think I heard it can take 10 years to bring a new medicine to the general public then sometimes the cost is too much and the NHS wont buy it.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 11, 2020 8:40:07 GMT
If a reliable vaccine cant be found in the short term then the health professionals only have what they currently have to fight Covid: anti-virals, antibiotics ( to treat associated opportunistic bacterial infection) anti inflammatories and Steroids,HIV drugs and anything else that they can find thats effective at reducing the severity of the infection.
How governments continue to respond to it probably depends on the mortality rate.
If mortality rate is high then obviously theyll need to impose restrictions for quite some time,maybe years and will severely damage our economy and way of life. If it remains relatively low then they and we will have to just accept the risk and return to some kind of normality.
At the end of the day we cant continue with a stagnant economy,hundreds of thousands or millions of people unemployed,its not a sustainable option.
That kind of situation of mass unemployment,poverty and hopelessness will be more of a threat to our way of life than Covid will. More people are apparently already dieing from other illnesses because their treatment or surgery is being postponed or cancelled because of Covid so theres a fine balance lose people through Covid or lose people because their heart disease or cancer is being treated.
Thats not a risk we want to take as a country especially when we have the added uncertainty of Brexit kicking in in January.
As a nation we're going to have to bite the bullet and get back to work and as individuals assess our own personal risk and act accordingly, so that will probably mean most healthy younger low risk people returning to work and older population being more cautious in daily life and isolating if appropriate.
A lot also depends on how the virus develops over time it may become less of a threat as time goes on and cause less harm to its host, but theres always the possibility of it mutating into something far more virulent and dangerous.We wont know that for some time.
In the end we will have to accept its out there like we do measles, chickenpox,herpes, HIV etc etc and hope that scientists come up with an effective vaccine or anti viral.
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 11, 2020 9:00:02 GMT
we start this maximum of 6 people together as from Monday, its crazy, the infection rate is increasing in the North of England but its very low in the South west yet they bring in a blanket ban, why?
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Post by givingitsomethought on Sept 11, 2020 9:05:59 GMT
Blimey, it's a bit of a reality check, isn't it? I have to say it's the first time I've ever felt lucky not to be able to go out to work. Day to day life hasn't changed massively for us. We can do most things we need and want to do at home and we can do things like the library and cinema during the day, during the week when it's quieter anyway. Kind of sobering to think it might just lurk there for many years and we'll all just get used to it. I've missed being able to be with people I care about but other than that not going out hasn't bothered me. Do feel a bit of trepidation over getting through the winter months but I think I just need to kick myself up the bum to get out a bit further afield on the bus so we can go walking and lay off the biscuits a bit. The mortality rate is considered fairly low at the moment, I'm guessing? I don't like the thought of anyone having it but the numbers are quite tiny compared to the upper hundreds we were seeing at one point. And yep, people not being able to get treatment for other things isn't something that's going to help long term. Just such a huge situation that's brought about such massive changes and it's almost like it snuck up on us. I know they did know about it beforehand and didn't do anything but it still feels a bit surreal to me that this global crisis can just happen so fast and with so many being unprepared. Glad that this place is here at any rate
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Post by givingitsomethought on Sept 11, 2020 9:07:34 GMT
we start this maximum of 6 people together as from Monday, its crazy, the infection rate is increasing in the North of England but its very low in the South west yet they bring in a blanket ban, why? I'm guessing they think that if they ban it in some areas and not others people will just travel to other areas to mingle but it's just a guess, I'm finding the whole thing very baffling
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 11, 2020 9:14:30 GMT
Most likely because people move about to socialise,celebrate birthdays or have long weekends with family or friends,they dont necessarily stay in their local area.If everyone is subject to the same restrictions,everyone knows where they stand regardless where they are. The whole mixed messages thing from the government over the last few months has been confusing enough already.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Sept 11, 2020 9:36:38 GMT
Been waiting for a physio appointment to come through for a hands-on session after having a telephone consultation on the 1st. Noticed a missed call from the physios (three days ago) and phoned through to find out when it is to be seen in person. Appointment made for two weeks time, asked where it was to be, got told, it's a phone appointment for a questionnaire as I'm classed as vulnerable and it would be followed by another phone appointment in a month to see if things have changed with another questionnaire. FFS.
After 20 minutes of going around in illogical circles as my health will not change ever, I got that the bottom line was that they wouldn't see me for treatment due to me saying what I was on the last phone questionnaire that I was shielding (didn't even know I'd done one ) so I wanted to complain. The receptionist then spoke to line manager and said I could do another questionnaire now so I did and stated on it I was not vulnerable, clearly telling lies. Immediately got told that I met their criteria for being seen and was given a face to face appointment.
Just wondering how many others are being screwed over by the new system and accepting it.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 11, 2020 9:43:27 GMT
Well theres the obvious need to keep the risk to vulnerable folks down but theres also the likelihood some hospitals will cynically use the vulnerability criteria to keep their waiting lists down and look like theyre good performers.
Personally i think the telephone triaging that hospitals and GPs are doing and only seeing people who really need to be seen or physically examined is a good thing and should have been brought in years back. Many who go to GPs or AnE dont need to go,they can get proper advice via NHS direct or pharmacy.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Sept 11, 2020 10:04:00 GMT
Problem is NT that my GP won't see me to examine me and I'm certain that physio is not the answer for a knackered disc / trapped nerves. I've basically been fobbed off to see a physio for a problem that's been getting worse for over 6mths and it's taken until now to get action. To see my GP is like a lottery win as they're all hiding and now have intermediaries who'll phone you back and bat you off. I'm not the first to find this locally.
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 11, 2020 10:06:08 GMT
I think Health Centres doing video and phone consultations will become the norm even after covid is just a memory, they were doing some of this before the virus and I think it will continue after.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 11, 2020 10:19:36 GMT
Problem is NT that my GP won't see me to examine me and I'm certain that physio is not the answer for a knackered disc / trapped nerves. I've basically been fobbed off to see a physio for a problem that's been getting worse for over 6mths and it's taken until now to get action. To see my GP is like a lottery win as they're all hiding and now have intermediaries who'll phone you back and bat you off. I'm not the first to find this locally. Why is he refusing to see you? Really you need to see ortho and get scans xrays to see whats going wrong,but thats probably unlikely in the present situation.
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