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Post by VanWoman84 on Aug 29, 2020 11:34:16 GMT
I saw this on another site and have to say I agree with it. Life is getting more ridiculous and the rules are laughable. I have done my best to respect the diverse opinions regarding COVID-19 over these past few months, but I have these nagging questions about it... Please just take politics out of it and read this with an open mind using common sense. Anyone out there who can tell me what our end game is with the covid 19? What is the magic formula that is going to allow us to sound the all clear? Is it zero cases? The only way that will happen is if we just stop testing and stop reporting. Is it a vaccine? It took 25 years for a chicken pox vaccine to be developed. The smallpox inoculation was discovered in 1796 the last known natural case was in 1977. We have a flu vaccine that is only 40 to 60% effective and less than half of the UK population choose to get one, and roughly 20,000 British will die of the flu or flu complications. Oh, you'll mandate it, like other vaccines are mandated in order to attend school, travel to some foreign countries, etc. We already have a growing number of anti vaxxers refusing proven, tested, well known vaccines that have been administered for decades but aren’t necessarily safe! Do you really think people will flock to get a fast tracked, quickly tested vaccine, whose long term side effects and overall efficacy are anyone's best guess? How long are we going to cancel and postpone and reconsider?? What if October's numbers are the same as August's? You moved football to summer? What if next March is worse than this one was? When do we decide quality of life outweighs the risks? I understand Covid can be deadly or very dangerous for SOME people, but so are peanuts, strawberries, and so is shellfish. We take risks multiple times a day without a second thought. We know driving a car can be dangerous, we don't leave it in the garage. We know the dangers of smoking, drinking and eating fried foods, we do it anyway. We speed, we don't fasten our seatbelts. Is hugging Gran really more dangerous than rush hour on the motorway? Is going out with friends after work more risky than 4 day old petrol station sushi? Or operating a chainsaw? When and how did we so quickly lose our free will? Is there a waiver somewhere I can sign that says, "I understand the risks, but I choose a life with Hugs and Smiles, and the Community Fair and Concerts and Parties." I understand that there is a minuscule possibility I could die, but I will most likely end up feeling like crap for a few days. I understand I could possibly pass it to someone else, if I'm not careful, but I can pass any virus onto someone else. I'm struggling to see where or how this ends. We either get busy living or we get busy dying. When God decides it's your time, you don't get any mulligans, so I guess I would rather spend my time enjoying it and living in the moment and not worrying about what ifs and maybes, and I bet I'm not the only one
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 18:39:36 GMT
Feeling crap for a bit more than a few days is the impression I get and I know several people I know well that have had it , though none ended up on a ventilator thankfully, but I also know people that have lost reletives . Look at India , Brazil and USA all hitting 60K+ new cases a day at the moment . I think if we adopt a 'when god decides its your time ' approach , well good luck with getting a ventilator shoved down your throat! I'm still sticking with a bit of distance . I still smile , but just hug the dog if Ma is doing her phone ! And if the dogs doing its bone , I go and do some chores till one of them has finished . There loss .
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Post by givingitsomethought on Aug 29, 2020 18:55:21 GMT
Well I do agree that the rules are ridiculous, it's been very badly handled and I don't think there is an end point, to be honest. I don't agree with a lot of the examples that go around about it, comparing it to other things that are dangerous. Hugging Gran is perfectly safe if you know you're not infected and that's the big problem, I feel - if you don't know whether you have it or not you don't know whether what you're doing is safe. There have been a number of reports about the long term effects of Covid on people who've caught it so I'm not really onboard with the whole 'you just get poorly for a few days' thing, simply because whilst some people just get poorly for a few days, others are still poorly months afterwards and of course, many are dead. Everyone else's free will means people who are susceptible to it having to stay home and stay isolated even longer so I find the free will argument is free will for one person and forcing unpleasant conditions on another. It's all swings and roundabouts. Lots of people are happy to take the risks as we see all the time with the packed beaches and busy shops - but all the time they're taking the risks the people who can't chance it have even less freedom. I've got several beautiful beaches less than an hour from my home and we haven't been near any of them because it's been too busy. We can't take the risk. We had zero cases here the third week in July and last week I think it was 27 diagnosed that week - it's not high but it's higher than zero and presumably it's because of people going on holidays and days out. You can flip all of those questions round another way, I feel. Of the people I know, the ones complaining the most about not being able to do what they want are also the ones saying they won't take a vaccine or wear a mask. So if you've got the people most eager to mix and mingle also being the ones least willing to take precautions while they do it, it's a bit of a heady mix. Personally I still feel that all that's happened is the majority of the population have been forced to experience life as many people with long term health problems and disabilities do - sudden loss of income, no social life, unable to see family or friend, isolation, social exclusion. What's happened with Covid could have happened to anyone just as suddenly on an individual basis - heart attack, stroke, brain tumour, car accidents, so many different ways. And suddenly your whole life's changed and, more importantly, it's not going to change back. At least with Covid most have only undergone temporary changes and will be able to go back to work, socialise, get out and enjoy themselves again. It's easy to avoid shellfish, strawberries, chainsaws and all those other things that are mentioned if you know they're potentially fatal for you - not so easy to avoid infected people if neither you nor they know they're infected. From what I've seen most people have just carried on doing what they like anyway. I can't see any sign that anyone's lost their free will - people don't moan about obeying traffic lights or giving way at roundabouts; you do it to avoid accidents. It's the same with this. I think it's an endlessly circular argument - I don't like it any more than the next person but it's here and whatever anyone else is doing, we're still having to stay home as much as possible and be very careful when we do go out and we'll keep doing that until it's gone - and if that's never then we'll never be going further than Tesco again! Lol x
I thought I would just add to this: I can nod my head at all of those arguments but also see a counterargument to each point. I think we can all build an argument to suit our point of view and it is subjective - if I knew that neither myself nor anyone I cared about would be likely to get severely ill if we caught it I'd be a lot more relaxed in my approach. Equally if my son had been going mad with staying in - as some of my friends autistic kids have been - then we'd have gone out a lot more because it is about balancing risk and if your kid's mental health is going or they're self harming or something you'd balance that against the risk of catching a virus. I can see why people want to get on with it and get back to normal, and equally I know so many who won't be able to do that until there's no chance of catching it (or at least only the same chance of getting hit by a car or whatever barometer you measure it by). I've felt more relaxed since we've had relatively few cases here and people do seem to be being careful when we do go out so that helps. I will be very happy when it buggers off and I was thinking to myself this morning that when we are finally able to just wander into town, enjoy a coffee in the sun and hug any old random that will let us I am going to bloody well enjoy it and cherish every moment x Even if the random I'm hugging doesn't Lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 19:54:43 GMT
I think common sense is our best friend. There are a lot of selfish nitwits . Nothing new there . Minimize the risk is best you can do . Government advice is about as reliable as you can expect, so good luck with that in my worth jack shit opinion. At school when I was about 13 , a young lad in my class was chastised by the teacher for drawing in this book during english lesson . He said he was going to live his life how he wanted too. He scored a good few detentions , but it got me thinking , and that is , I will stick with my own agenda , ie , its dodgy out there and i wont be enticed by meal deals and the pretending its gone away.
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Post by givingitsomethought on Aug 30, 2020 7:51:32 GMT
I think that's true, Bungo, and I think the lack of good quality information has been and is a really big problem. I don't feel I am well informed about this, because I'm struggling to find any source of information that I trust completely and that I don't feel has an agenda of some kind, and because the numbers just don't make sense to me and I can't find anything that clarifies the situation. The one thing I do feel very certain of is the Government does not have the best interests of the nation at heart and that doesn't make me feel very cheerful either. So yep, we're still staying in most of the time and when we do go out we're being very careful, nothing that involves eating or drinking and no browsing or window shopping - just get what we need and get home again. I think that's all anyone can do for now to be honest.
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Post by cornishharry on Aug 30, 2020 8:39:52 GMT
had thought the whole thing had not really affected me, then realised i now only go shopping once a fortnight and have a bandana around my neck ready for use as a mask at all times ( a regular mask is so uncomfortable with having a beard ) and when i,m around people i keep my distance. even when camping last week in zummerzet and it was fairly crowded everyone kept their distance. normally by this time of year i would have covered quite a few miles in my wandering about the country. last year by this time i had done a few festivals and gatherings and covered 12 thousand miles, this year barely a thousand. so with the money i've saved will take myself off to oz in the new year to see my brother if i can. plus not been inside a pub since march. so yes it has affected me
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Post by itinerantchild on Aug 30, 2020 8:58:57 GMT
I hope you get out to oz Harry and that by then the virus is much more contained. Talking to Australian friends a few days back and they said that even internal travel is a bitch at the mo and one has to self isolate when changing from one state to another. Victoria is the current hot bed of regulations I hear !
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 30, 2020 10:31:34 GMT
I too have a full beard and a bandana type face covering is the only one that dosent steam up my glasses, all the face masks do without exception. we only go to a supermarket every 3 weeks and co-op weekly in between just for bread and milk and a bit of fruit, otherwise except for daily country walks we dont go anywhere and havent since the start of lockdown. I dont believe Covid is a hoax, far from it, look how many have died worldwide. whether I trust a vaccine for it is another matter, it will have to be taken by a lot of people and proved to be safe before I go anywhere near it.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Aug 30, 2020 11:07:41 GMT
I don't believe covid is a hoax either. I do think it's been over played by the government, to cover their bad management. Sorry if that sounds like a conspiracy theory.
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 30, 2020 11:46:24 GMT
I dont think its bad management, there is no blueprint for Covid 19 and they are having to deal with changes to the infections on a daily basis, the scientists keep changing their minds and disagreeing with each other, some saying face masks work and others saying they dont make any difference, there is so far no vaccine for it and despite all the talk there may never be. I'm definitely expecting a second wave(although its probably a continuation of the first wave) in the Autumn/Winter, especially after furlough end in October, maybe even another national lockdown, this is a new disease and anything is possible.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Aug 30, 2020 13:01:47 GMT
Yes this is a unique situation for us, but not globally. In Europe Italy was there before us, yet their experience seemed to be ignored.
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Post by cornishharry on Aug 30, 2020 13:18:01 GMT
of course it being ignored, blundering boris only listens to his eton cronies and after all ,how could a jonny foreigner possibly know more than his mate cummings?
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Post by givingitsomethought on Aug 30, 2020 13:27:45 GMT
had thought the whole thing had not really affected me, then realised i now only go shopping once a fortnight and have a bandana around my neck ready for use as a mask at all times ( a regular mask is so uncomfortable with having a beard ) and when i,m around people i keep my distance. even when camping last week in zummerzet and it was fairly crowded everyone kept their distance. normally by this time of year i would have covered quite a few miles in my wandering about the country. last year by this time i had done a few festivals and gatherings and covered 12 thousand miles, this year barely a thousand. so with the money i've saved will take myself off to oz in the new year to see my brother if i can. plus not been inside a pub since march. so yes it has affected me Being able to save enough to get to Oz sounds like a definite silver lining to me, Harry, that will be amazing for you
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Post by NomadCris on Aug 30, 2020 13:56:08 GMT
No special skills required to be a brain dead moron,they walk amongst us. Those who made the most outlandish claims about Covid19 and it being a hoax or conspiracy are now dead from it or have lost relatives from it. The problem though is not the morons who walk amongst us but the morons in the corridors of power who (mis)manage the ongoing catastrophy. The UK government knew in early January this was coming but chose to ignore the threat until March when it was already too late,in the same way the US and Brazil handled it,negligently and recklessly. There will e a winter wave far worse than its been up to now and nothing whatsoever gives me any confidence the government will handle it any better. The best most of us can do is stock up on essentials and make sensible preparations for winter while there is the opportunity to do so. It makes no odds what you think about Covid19 because like any other illness youll either get it or you wont but its out there and WILL affect our lifestyle for quite a long time ahead,pretending it won't or that science will save us and return us all to normal is no more than wishful thinking. To do nothing when ignorant of the threat first time around is just bad luck,to continue to do nothing in full knowledge of potentially what may come is just manifest stupidity.
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Post by valdez on Aug 30, 2020 21:29:41 GMT
as been said about information to much false stuff which do we listen to i think they should sort that out, i know one death is to many but there are far fewer now so people are thinking its past but im sure we are going to have a second wave
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