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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 22, 2020 10:51:47 GMT
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Post by bernie on Apr 22, 2020 11:47:48 GMT
Yes but if they are not accredited suppliers the NHS cannot legally buy the stuff off them. The stuff has to go through proper procedures of testing and evaluation to know it is fit for purpose. |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Apr 22, 2020 11:52:50 GMT
Surely that's what kite marks and EE marks are for? It's the procurement rules that have made the breaks in the supply chain. The NHS just can't adapt quickly enough to add new suppliers.
Where the Turkish manufacturers already in the NHS system?
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 22, 2020 12:06:25 GMT
Yes but if they are not accredited suppliers the NHS cannot legally buy the stuff off them. The stuff has to go through proper procedures of testing and evaluation to know it is fit for purpose. I think the article said the NHS have already bought some so presumably that bit isn't the problem? |
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Post by bernie on Apr 22, 2020 12:54:50 GMT
Surely that's what kite marks and EE marks are for? It's the procurement rules that have made the breaks in the supply chain. The NHS just can't adapt quickly enough to add new suppliers. Where the Turkish manufacturers already in the NHS system? Yes but all that stuff can be faked, like the Nike trainers you see on a market stall. But its not rules its law, ISO 9000 and all that it entails. Its done for a reason and most of the time the reason makes good sense |
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Post by bigbear67 on Apr 22, 2020 13:54:46 GMT
Can't help thinking in this instance the law should be relaxed a bit. Our NHS staff are in the thick of it & our fucking useless govt are letting them down badly. Surely any masks etc would be better than none. Desperate times call for desperate measures...
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Post by cricket on Apr 22, 2020 14:18:19 GMT
The trouble with "any masks"is that medics will be entering a high risk situation without properly authenticated safe equipment so they are as unprotected as if they had no mask at all.They are highly skilled medical proffessionals trying to save our lives not a suicide squad.They are having to make a choice,go in unprotected and try to save a patient or not risk my own life.I cetainly would not risk my life to such a degreee to maybe save a stranger.How can anyone ask that of them?
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Post by bigbear67 on Apr 22, 2020 14:28:24 GMT
How do we know these masks aren't made to the proper spec? Seems to me if I was investing a quarter million in making masks, plus setting on extra staff I would be making sure the masks were the right spec!... Sounds like someone isn't prepared to cut some red tape & make a judgement on these masks. Apparently the firm has already given thousands of these masks to the NHS for free, or at cost. Nobody is saying the free ones are no good are they now?...
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 22, 2020 14:40:07 GMT
There are more reports coming through of dozens of firms with PPE to sell not hearing back from the Government - just hearing nothing at all, not that the stuff isn't up to spec (and presumably if it's not up to spec it could be changed so it is up to spec), along with a report from a care home owner whose PPE supplier has increased the cost of face masks by 1200 %. I'm not great with numbers but I'm guessing that's not good. Whichever way anyone looks at it it's a shit storm.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Apr 22, 2020 14:56:52 GMT
How do we know these masks aren't made to the proper spec? Seems to me if I was investing a quarter million in making masks, plus setting on extra staff I would be making sure the masks were the right spec!... Sounds like someone isn't prepared to cut some red tape & make a judgement on these masks. Apparently the firm has already given thousands of these masks to the NHS for free, or at cost. Nobody is saying the free ones are no good are they now?... We don't and that's the big problem. The gov spent a shedload of money on antibody testkits from the Chinese. They looked the business and appeared ok but had a slight problem, they didn't all fn work. Another thankyou to China, bstards. |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Apr 22, 2020 15:04:22 GMT
Surely it's better for UK companies to get their stock inspected and accepted or changed?
How do we know the Turkish or Chinese masks are OK? If all masks need checking, it would be better to check something that's made here, than to have to return it to half way around the world, or just bin it.
That used to happen with clothing all the time. Something would come in from Bangladesh or India, the hems would be wrong. Instead of shipping it back, a UK factory would do the corrections. By the time you paid for the original item, then corrections, the cost was close.
Why not just get it produced in the UK FFS!?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 15:24:31 GMT
Human trials start tomorrow on a vaccine . Good luck with that one ! I am not anti vax , but how long do they normally give vaccine research before human trials . I would not be in a hurry to be a canidate , judging by the gov's performance so far on all things Corona .
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Post by fenrisulfr on Apr 22, 2020 16:27:14 GMT
Human trials start tomorrow on a vaccine . Good luck with that one ! I am not anti vax , but how long do they normally give vaccine research before human trials . I would not be in a hurry to be a canidate , judging by the gov's performance so far on all things Corona . £635 in hand. I'd do it for my offspring but they won't take me, too old, not close enough and not healthy enough. Someone has to do it though. |
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Post by cornishharry on Apr 22, 2020 19:30:22 GMT
a neighbour of mine recently out of hospital she has cancer, is in and out of various houses in the street and today she had workmen in to erect a garden sunshade, no masks etc on any of them
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Post by valdez on Apr 22, 2020 21:29:49 GMT
my mate has had his cancer treatment postponed because of this bug he not happy at all
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