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I don't buy it personally but I'm reliably informed that it lasts considerably longer than standard milk due to being filtered more finely through ceramic. 

I bought some Cravendale once when it first came on the shelves and didnt like it. Didnt even taste like milk to me most of it went down the sink drain where it belonged.
But i grew up drinking Jersey full cream milk so trying that was like drinking watneys pale ale compared to beer.

Yes i must admit as an omnivore the idea of eating laboratory grown meat puts me right off,it just sounds too much like Soylent Green.
In all honesty i dont eat much meat these days and no where near a fraction of what i used to when i did loads of sport training.

Ive tried some of the vegan offerings,some ive found utterly repellent and id rather starve if that was the option,but some ive found pretty good ones like the 'meat' substitute protein made from peas which isnt too bad,id happily eat manufactured vegan food but so much of it is dire just as much as normal processed food is dire so i dont eat the garbage.

Im probably about 70% veggie anyway now bc meat is so expensive here.What meat i buy is from local farm that sells their own. I homemake pretty much everything myself.

It has to be asked though what happens when most of the worlds cereal growing land is drought or flood destroyed. Its just not realistic to grow millions of tons of cereal to feed to animals to feed animals to us. Choices will have to be made at a personal level.

There seems to be a lot of organised pouring of scorn on the vertical farming concept over the last 2 years and probably some of it is justified. But like every way of farming or technology its not thr be all and end all of the status quo but has a place in the mix. Theres a vertical farming business underground in the centre of London doing very well despite the detractors and growing fresh salad and veg for the ground level stores. Probably not going to work so well on the plains of Idaho.
The problem is we have a Big Ag problem. They see everything as mass industrialised process of minimal input or employment. The Ford approach to everything which is why our beef and chicken all tastes pretty much the same bland tasteless full of water, hormones vaccines and antibiotics. Rarely sees the outside and fed on a bunch of meal pellet crap.

I used to rear my own chickens and Turkeys to eat and absolutely nothing ive bought anywhere in a store has tasted as good. The beef pork or lamb and occasionally bison /buffalo meat all comes from the local farm and beats supermarket for quality and taste hands down and only marginally higher price.
I make my own bread cakes biscuits etc from flour bought onlinr from flour mills that still mill their own niche natural flours and feed mixes, no bleach or additives or crap.

Same goes for most things spices, sauces, preserves,rice,pasta,coffee,tea,soap etc even chocolate is from proper chocolatiers in UK or France not the greasy junk peddled by the big global confectionary conglomerati.
The only things i tend to buy from supermarket are household goods kitchen towel foil toilet roll bc uou cant get them anywhere else and beer /spirits. If i had the space id go back to brewing beer again.

Its a case of not wanting to put up with the garbage we are peddled by supermarket corporates on a 'This is what youre getting,take it or leave it' basis. While they squeeze tgemargins on suppliers and dictate broad bland variety and gaslight us as consumers theyre working hard to save us money...bullshit.
Everything is produced and sold on a lowest common denominator level...except the price in which case gouging is the name of the game,inflation,shrinkflation,manufactured scarcity and shortage all tricks of the trade.

So I know a place they can stick it where the sun dont shine.

As for Mars 🤔 Well for one thing i reckon ill have been interred at least 500 yrs before anything resembling organised civilisation exists there... if at all.I grew up in the Gemini and Apollo era and the birth of Shuttle and ISS and back then id have believed Mars landing was going to happen by the 90's or 2000 but now the more advanced we gotten the less likely i think it will be not for decades at best.The ISS is being brought down after 2030 and not even any replacement parts for a new one built. NASA thinks private companies will build everything and pour money into them but theyve their own agendas.I think the next space station on sny similar scale the Chinese will and are building. The US and NASA are lost.

The other factor is we are incapable of looking after the perfectly good planet we already have that we are recklessly ruining on a daily basis because humans just love consuming stuff way above a level they actually need as individuals for a normal life and the more wealthy humans are the more they consume.
Mars may be a lifeboat option if that asteroid is headed our way but i think we shoukd be concentrating on doing something about living on Earth sustainably not on Musk like pipedreams colonising Mars. Also building orbital space stations because theyre a great local neighbourhood to learn science we cant do on Earth.Same goes for derp sea do long as we dont go disturbing those beings who already live there.


The billionaire sociopaths only see Mars and the moon as resource mining opportunities and shifting a big bunch of us there permanently to run the mining and terraforming ops while they get to enjoy Earth to themselves. Ill be long gone before anyone sets foot on Mars so I dont much care anyhow.

Do you ever eat those 16 bean mixes ? 16 bean soup ? Theres not much similar here you have to buy the beans separate. Only ive found here has about 7 and mostly split peas im not a fan of.Goya do packs but you cant get them here.My friend in Oregon posts me packs of them.

You can make your own of course if you buy the beans needed

www.foodstoragemoms.com/sixteen-bean-soup/


Ras Kitchen more entertaining


www.reggaeville.com/artist-details/ras-kitchen/videos/video/ras-kitchen-rasta-mokkos-sixteen-bean-soup/

While I thought vertical farming was a good idea, the implementations I saw were too complex, especially on the software/firmware side. Still, being able to harvest and package a crop on a daily basis is exactly the kind of performance a remote colony would need. The footprint is about the size of a downtown hotel. The plants are germinated and grown in coconut silk or some other benign plant fiber for root support. When they reach a maturity milestone the flat germinating plants are transferred using a robotic arm. 
 
The vertical column then moves around the lighting systems on a conveyor similar to what dry cleaners use. The whole plant holds about 5 weeks plants from seed to harvest. They can harvest daily because they loaded the system daily. It's just a long, suspended chain. I also didn't see anything but leafy crops. No grains, strawberries or olives. Nobody could enter a maturation area while the lights were on. They were throwing specific wave lengths for 18 hours per day. 

There's just no way they are making a profit. And with all the square footage of rooftop they had no solar panels. There was probably 40Kw of potential, in southern California. It was also cleaner than any agricultural operation I'd ever seen. One part required coveralls and hair/beard nets just to walk through. The vertical farm in a Baltimore warehouse was very different. Extremely dirty. But with a far more advanced water system, designed for maximum conservation and reuse. 
 
They were using a kind of soup made from composted manure and filtered so it can be sprayed onto the dangling roots of not only lettuce but also peanuts and other legumes I didn't recognize. After about 5 minutes my sinuses were laid to waste and I no longer noticed the bouquet of fermented shiite. 
 
I agree that colonizing is not much of a priority with space travel. Any colonies will have a really hard time overall. But consider how Mars might be as a jumping off point for asteroid exploration. Imagine bumping into a lump of uranium the size of Malta. Energy would be solved for centuries. The earth's ecosystem would get a break from human smoke. Besides, Mars would benefit from the earth's current air pollution to build density. We should find a way to sequester the pollution and send it to Mars. Maybe on a slow boat, so to speak, as Zubrin suggested.