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Post by NomadCris on Sept 5, 2024 23:35:07 GMT
I stopped buying meat or fish from stores quite some time back,the industrialised rearing killing and processing and pumped full of antibiotics and water,they can stick up their A holes. What little meat i buy now is from local farm who have their own shop make their own side products like burgers sausage etc. Not cheap but you know where its from. I used to rear my own chicken for meat and eggs and theres a world of difference to the junk they push in the big stores.Rather do without altogether than eat that.
Wont touch store fish neither its mostly farmed and full of garbage. Used to eat fresh fish off local boats on the coast or fish my own but our coastal waters are full of shit dumped by water companies,meat processing plant waste and so all kinds of nasties like e-coli.Nope stick that too. I used to enjoy river fishing and eat my catch but no way id do that now. 🤮
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 6, 2024 15:19:19 GMT
Wow, that sounds like a lot of chicken-washing. Is this to get rid of nasty taste, because chicken over there is washed in chlorine? Over here (UK) we get told not to wash chicken because it can spread bacteria over your sink and stuff, just put it right in the oven or grill and get it cooked. This is enough to kill off any bacteria, so long as it's cooked right through. The thing is, bacteria is alive and excretes toxic stuff. Sure, cooking kills bacteria, but does it neutralize whatever that bacteria is producing? Also, most of the bacteria will be on the outside, so cleaning it is easy. I go through extra cleaning because I can't know how long it was soaking with other bird carcasses in a brine/chlorine wave pool before it was packaged. The beauty of the plan I have adopted (I can't claim credit) is the meager cost weighed against risking illness. I don't know why, but chicken that I don't think will poison me seems like it tastes better. When I was working in the Caribbean (2010-2012) I discovered that chicken on the islands was much better than in the mainland US. I figure it was the exotic insects and the lack of an actual winter. I didn't bother with more than rinsing because most of the chicken I could buy was freshly killed. Over the last couple of years I have to look around to find chicken that doesn't look like it was in a traffic accident. Decades ago I worked on industrial scales and a couple of chicken plants used our gear. This sort of plant is a testament to man's ability to mechanize killing. When you consider the scale, it's difficult to conceive an improved path. You will not be removing people from consuming meat. Not happening. They'll eat politicians to make the point! There was a point in time of our history when being exposed to environmental bacteria and nstursl toxins improved our general resistance to low grade infections. I think weve flipped too far the other way now. Environmental weather swings have allowed explosive growths in bacteria toxic molds and algaes and our obsessive use of insecticides herbicides antibiotics hormones prophalactic drugs and releases of untreated waste and chemical toxins into our habitat have made us all vulnerable to even quite mild bacterial or viral infections. Knowing first-hand what i do about what goes on in the industrial farming sector and industrialised food production sector i dont consider your washing of food OTT. Personally i just wont eat the stuff...but i know millions dont have much choice or trust the integrity of the food chain implicitly and would be wise to research where their food comes from and how its processed. We ,like our food, are just income streams to other far less scrupulous humans among us.So long as theres money to be made they wont give a shit if our food is a bit toxic or not. When it comes down to it those folks who think it perfectly ok to sell you meat pumped full of antibiotics hormones and water or wash chicken carcases off in chlorine bleach bc its sat in a dumpster a while after it was killed are no real different to the folks who smuggle migrant workers or drugs... They do it cuz they can get away with it...only with food some equally garbage humans in government dept somewhere says its safe and legal...Bullshit. |
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Post by parrotandcrow on Sept 6, 2024 16:59:13 GMT
Me? I'm still gathering stuff from the house and taking it to the tip. I WILL have space in my house before the year's end. I've also told my sisters that the only presents they are allowed to give me for celebration days, are coffee ice cream or maybe a bottle of Cava; nothing that will hang around gathering dust.
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Post by oldkeith on Sept 6, 2024 22:29:34 GMT
Yeah, quite understand your reasons for thorough washing, both for bacterial residues and chlorine rinsing.
We don't get the chlorine rinse over here (yet!) so our main risk is bacterial infection getting on already cooked foods nearby, or anything that is going to be eaten raw, like salads, fruit, etc. We always wash hands well after handling chicken, too, it's just good practice.
Most folks here don't eat the chicken skin after it's cooked, so I guess that's how they avoid taking in any bacterial residues. Saying that, I have sometimes chewed up crisp chicken skin at times myself, although I haven't noticed any after effects, unless it's needing to go to the rest room a little quicker than usual...
What you say about factory mechanized killing is true over here too; a relative of mine in Norfolk went for a job at a chicken factory: what she saw there almost turned her Vegan, she just couldn't take the job!
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Post by bernie on Sept 11, 2024 16:32:27 GMT
On Sunday, in Cornwall, we were invited to family for a birthday lunch so we said we would buy the meat. It was decided that we were having lamb
So we went to a farm shop, the bit we wanted was £40, so time for a rethink
Went to Lidl and got an equivalent piece for £9.90. It cooked up lovely, everyone said how good it was.
We don't often buy meat these days but that was one hell of a price difference.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 11, 2024 17:20:36 GMT
On Sunday, in Cornwall, we were invited to family for a birthday lunch so we said we would buy the meat. It was decided that we were having lamb So we went to a farm shop, the bit we wanted was £40, so time for a rethink Went to Lidl and got an equivalent piece for £9.90. It cooked up lovely, everyone said how good it was. We don't often buy meat these days but that was one hell of a price difference. Thats rediculous, ive bought farm direct boned rolled proper mutton joint for £18 |
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Post by bernie on Sept 11, 2024 21:55:31 GMT
On Sunday, in Cornwall, we were invited to family for a birthday lunch so we said we would buy the meat. It was decided that we were having lamb So we went to a farm shop, the bit we wanted was £40, so time for a rethink Went to Lidl and got an equivalent piece for £9.90. It cooked up lovely, everyone said how good it was. We don't often buy meat these days but that was one hell of a price difference. Thats rediculous, ive bought farm direct boned rolled proper mutton joint for £18 People buy from these farm shops because they believe they are getting better meat but I'm not so convinced it isn't just flim flam |
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 12, 2024 2:12:40 GMT
Some of the farmshops are a ripoff and bend the definition of farmshop to the limit . The farm i get my meat from has a tiny shop and they only sell their own meat beef pork and lamb chicken they rear on the farm and they make their own side products like burgers sausage pies and its when its in season/when theyve got it in stock. Its not cheap but cheaper than a butcher and you know where and how the livestock is reared. I wont buy supermarket meat, havent for a long time even though its sometimes cheap.
Theres a small shop i go to locally only stocks local produce -bread cheese and meat deli stuff and cakes pies etc are made locally. Non of that is cheap but its not OTT on price either.
There is a farmshop i get out of date stuff from (we have an arrangement) but theres not much local stuff in there. Most of its deli stuff from abroad or stuff youd expect to find in M&S and similar prices.
You have to do your research and dont take things for granted. 'Farmshop' has taken on the same meaningless trite aesthetic nonsense as 'Organic' and 'countryside' and 'freerange'. People assume far too much from clever marketing labels.
As i go on i buy less and less from supermarkets because theyre just self serving ripoff scumbags and theyre blatant about it.
Most stuff i buy now with exception of my meat is in bulk online from small specialists ie fish, real cornish pasties from your neck of the woods,cheese,flour,spices,dried fruit n nuts, chocolate ,soap etc . Rather my money go to small businesses that sell proper decent stuff i actually want and enjoy and know that its quality and made well with no manky sus ingredients than my money go to predatory supermarket A-holes for industrialised crap they chuck on the shelves and expect you to put up with on a take it or leave it attitude and whack up the price every week
Ill leave it on their shelves and get my own elsewhere.
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Post by bernie on Sept 12, 2024 15:59:56 GMT
Another overused word is "Artisan" usually associated with the obligatory ridiculous price hike.
I can understand the concept of Artisan bread and Artisan cheese (even though I don't believe most of it is truly Artisan); then it gets silly and you get Artisan coffee (FFS)
Even more stupid, down here , usually in farm shops, you see Cornish Coffee and Cornish Tea
Yeah right! I haven't seen a tea or coffee plantation yet
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 12, 2024 18:20:00 GMT
Yes Artisan and Heritage and Traditional,all overused buzz words that mean nothing from clever pointy shoes marketing nobheads. Same with cosmetics 'hypoallergenic' and dozens of other wordsalad terms that have emerged recently. Thet assume all of us are stupid.
As soon as i see Artisan i disappear the other way. Round here everything is Artisan and just means you get to load up the price like sell a sourdough loaf for £8 instead of £2 Nope,ill make my own.
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Post by gentu on Sept 22, 2024 10:24:59 GMT
 i agree about the artisanal price hike label. only thing is it is difficult to work out how to be a creative artist or craftsperson or "maker" of anything - making handmade stuff - which is time consumiing and "slow" - unless our whole system starts to work WITHOUT THE CONCEPT OF MONEY ... but on a concept of SHARING and equality and GIFTING ... WE'VE GOT A WAY TO GO - BUT i BELIEVE IT WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPEN. a nEW wORLD WILL be born. and - there'll be no more Wage Slavery either ... wot a lovely idea ... everyone sharing their skills, talents, love, joy and pleasure in doing things they like doing ... for each other ... right - off to get on  hope you all have a lovely day hippies xxx icedrive.net/s/WQvGNhabR7AkRCy968uhR1fkFWSR |
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Post by writerspanic on Sept 24, 2024 14:26:56 GMT
Yes Artisan and Heritage and Traditional,all overused buzz words that mean nothing from clever pointy shoes marketing nobheads. Same with cosmetics 'hypoallergenic' and dozens of other wordsalad terms that have emerged recently. Thet assume all of us are stupid. As soon as i see Artisan i disappear the other way. Round here everything is Artisan and just means you get to load up the price like sell a sourdough loaf for £8 instead of £2 Nope,ill make my own. I'm still gob smacked from seeing one of those "Plant-Based" logos, on a package of Brussels Sprouts. A whole board of people decided that regular people don't realize vegetables are "Plant-Based" and must be "informed". |
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 24, 2024 15:52:21 GMT
Yes its the same pointy shoes numpties that label beer as suitable for vegetarians. What do they think beer is made from..boiled buffalo 🙄
Same with wine, ' our wine is suitable for vegetarians and vegans'...oh really ..and water is wet.
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Post by bernie on Sept 24, 2024 16:01:48 GMT
One of the most annoying marketing cons is Cravendale charging a premium price for 'filtered' milk.
All milk is filtered, it has to be, unless you buy it straight from the cow
They put it out there and gullible people buy it.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 24, 2024 16:13:09 GMT
Made by natural organic vegan cows obviously
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hope you all have a lovely day hippies xxx