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Post by bernie on Sept 23, 2022 16:17:43 GMT
Thameslink Trains are recruiting new train drivers, and the STARTING salary is .....
£63,196 per year
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 23, 2022 17:56:12 GMT
No doubt that's because like haulage companies theyre struggling to fill vacancies.Also if youre responsible for a few million pounds of train and maybe a 1000 passengers it demands an appropriate salary.
Dont really know what to say about postal workers though, they demand more money but routinely cant deliver mail to the correct address when its correctly addressed. Two items of my mail just today gone elsewhere for no obvious reason.
By all means expect and be paid a proper wage but in return at least do a proper professional job and use some intelligence
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Post by givingitsomethought on Sept 23, 2022 18:07:13 GMT
My friend's husband drives trains; it does pay well but the selection process is very rigorous, the safety record on trains is very good and I guess it's important to keep that up! He really enjoys it but it's a very demanding job and you need to be in very good health.
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Post by bernie on Sept 23, 2022 18:14:42 GMT
No doubt that's because like haulage companies theyre struggling to fill vacancies.Olus if youre responsible fir a few million pounds of train and maybe a 1000 passengers it demands an appropriate salary. They are paid more than double what an airline pilot earns. Most airline pilots don't even have a proper job they are just on a contract Train drivers are strictly unionised and this is the result |
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 23, 2022 18:27:34 GMT
No doubt that's because like haulage companies theyre struggling to fill vacancies.Olus if youre responsible fir a few million pounds of train and maybe a 1000 passengers it demands an appropriate salary. They are paid more than double what an airline pilot earns. Most airline pilots don't even have a proper job they are just on a contract Train drivers are strictly unionised and this is the result Its more a case of supply and demand. Theres a glut of pilots who were laid off during the covid pandemic and airlines cut services and not restored a lot of them theyre still well down on pre covid levels,also ex military pilots are in the same market looking for work. The employers can pick and choose who they want,its an employers market. The train services were less badly affected and there's a shortage of suitable personnel. Train drivers wages here are comparable with US railroad drivers. In Japan their average train drivers salary in Tokyo is £510k a year. I dont really care about the wage differential or the reasons why,especially not when bank and other finance sector staff are earning far more for piloting a desk on less hours and no responsibility for anything. The legions of local authority senior staff on more money thsn the PM and BBC presenters taking home ludicrous sums for spouting their guff. I dont normally begrudge anyone their salary if they deserve it and do a professional job but lets face it many of the very high paid jobs in the UK are parasites on the rest of us and many could be done for far less than theyre paid. The worst paid professional jobs with highest responsibility and highest expected standards are in the military and are never and never have been paid the salary level thats deserved.Routinely used and abused and injured or killed for the 'privilege' while BBC Z list celebs smd council CEO parasites are paid hundreds of thousands a year. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2022 18:46:15 GMT
No doubt that's because like haulage companies theyre struggling to fill vacancies.Olus if youre responsible fir a few million pounds of train and maybe a 1000 passengers it demands an appropriate salary. They are paid more than double what an airline pilot earns. Most airline pilots don't even have a proper job they are just on a contract Train drivers are strictly unionised and this is the result Only one driver on a train... Probably explains the difference to most people's satisfaction. I can go into further detail but you know how much I don't want to condescend to do so. Maybe you should think before you speak. |
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Post by bernie on Sept 23, 2022 18:54:51 GMT
They are paid more than double what an airline pilot earns. Most airline pilots don't even have a proper job they are just on a contract Train drivers are strictly unionised and this is the result Only one driver on a train... Probably explains the difference to most people's satisfaction. I can go into further detail but you know how much I don't want to condescend to do so. Maybe you should think before you speak. You? Condescending? Surely not? I would never have thought of you as condecending |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2022 18:59:19 GMT
Only one driver on a train... Probably explains the difference to most people's satisfaction. I can go into further detail but you know how much I don't want to condescend to do so. Maybe you should think before you speak. You? Condescending? Surely not? I would never have thought of you as condecending Cant do your thinking for you.... that's up to you. Next you will be saying that uk police should all patrol alone. And probably that the ape in its enclosure with a misplaced child should be tranquillised and not shot dead. Think man! |
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Post by bernie on Sept 23, 2022 19:32:27 GMT
You? Condescending? Surely not? I would never have thought of you as condecending Cant do your thinking for you.... that's up to you. Next you will be saying that uk police should all patrol alone. And probably that the ape in its enclosure with a misplaced child should be tranquillised and not shot dead. Think man! You are talking absolute drivel. I could say as usual but then I would be condescending too. You are the self apointed fforum troll but carry on entertaining us with your psychic predictions of what I am going say next |
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Post by givingitsomethought on Sept 23, 2022 19:38:29 GMT
It's a good wage but in some parts of the country still wouldn't be enough to buy a family home if you go by the 3.5 times your salary amount. As it's Thameslink I'd assume London and the surrounding areas which are all mind blowingly expensive (even the shitty bits). The estate I grew up on is about an hour out of London so it's always been a popular area for commuters - London work but live in the country. In the 80s it was considered a very deprived and rough estate, the houses are 1970s chucked up quick things, decent sizes but it's an estate so terraced, small gardens etc. No local facilities now, and very little in the way of public transport so you'd defo need a car. Three bed houses on there now go for about £350,000 - it used to be the place you had to go and live when there was literally no other option. It's not as rough these days, obviously, but that sort of money for those houses is madness. Seems to be like that in a lot of places now - a lot of money for not a lot of home. It's a shame.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2022 19:49:01 GMT
Cant do your thinking for you.... that's up to you. Next you will be saying that uk police should all patrol alone. And probably that the ape in its enclosure with a misplaced child should be tranquillised and not shot dead. Think man! You are talking absolute drivel. I could say as usual but then I would be condescending too. You are the self apointed fforum troll but carry on entertaining us with your psychic predictions of what I am going say next Fair enough Re the thought experiments that I have proposed for you. It's a forum in case you hadn't noticed. Look it up. You post stuff that deserves criticism and you get my criticism. That's a forum. And here we are. If you don't want the criticism and discussion then don't post such contentious statements. |
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Post by bernie on Sept 23, 2022 19:49:09 GMT
They are paid more than double what an airline pilot earns. Most airline pilots don't even have a proper job they are just on a contract Train drivers are strictly unionised and this is the result Its more a case of supply and demand. Theres a glut of pilots who were laid off during the covid pandemic and airlines cut services and not restored a lot of them theyre still well down on pre covid levels,also ex military pilots are in the same market looking for work. The employers can pick and choose who they want,its an employers market. The train services were less badly affected and there's a shortage of suitable personnel. Train drivers wages here are comparable with US railroad drivers. In Japan their average train drivers salary in Tokyo is £510k a year. I dont really care about the wage differential or the reasons why,especially not when bank and other finance sector staff are earning far more for piloting a desk on less hours and no responsibility for anything. The legions of local authority senior staff on more money thsn the PM and BBC presenters taking home ludicrous sums for spouting their guff. I dont normally begrudge anyone their salary if they deserve it and do a professional job but lets face it many of the very high paid jobs in the UK are parasites on the rest of us and many could be done for far less than theyre paid. The worst paid professional jobs with highest responsibility and highest expected standards are in the military and are never and never have been paid the salary level thats deserved.Routinely used and abused and injured or killed for the 'privilege' while BBC Z list celebs smd council CEO parasites are paid hundreds of thousands a year. There is now a shortage of pilots because when covid hit they were laod off and couldn't afford to privately pay tokeep up the hours of flying needed to maintain the licence thats why so many flights get cancelled now It happened to an acquaintance of mine who now drives a taxi and actually says he is happier and feels more secure. He has absolutely no chance of ever getting his licence back now it has lapsed |
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Post by bernie on Sept 23, 2022 19:54:49 GMT
You are talking absolute drivel. I could say as usual but then I would be condescending too. You are the self apointed fforum troll but carry on entertaining us with your psychic predictions of what I am going say next Fair enough Re the thought experiments that I have proposed for you. It's a forum in case you hadn't noticed. Look it up. You post stuff that deserves criticism and you get my criticism. That's a forum. And here we are. You just need to be a bit more positive and upbeat about life in general. You are always so dour and miserable |
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 23, 2022 19:59:31 GMT
But theyre already trained and experienced pilots and doesnt take long to get recertification if airlines will pay for the recertification and simulator time.
One of my friends is a BA jumbo pilot.
You cant walk into a train drivers job because outside of the rail services there are no sectors with trained drivers.
Most airlines employ ex military pilots or pilots from other airlines because its cheaper than training commercial pilots from scratch...nor can you just walk into an airline and pilot a commercial airliner,it requires years of experience,hundreds or thousands of hours flying time on various airliners or large aircraft before theyll take you on.
The only pilots with that level of air time are likely to be ex military or from other airlines.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2022 20:14:37 GMT
Fair enough Re the thought experiments that I have proposed for you. It's a forum in case you hadn't noticed. Look it up. You post stuff that deserves criticism and you get my criticism. That's a forum. And here we are. You just need to be a bit more positive and upbeat about life in general. You are always so dour and miserable That's an emotional judgement which is irrelevant to the level of criticism that I have offered. It is suspicious, circumspect and distractional. It is not a contextual response to my criticism of your statement. You did not propose some kind of happy, enlightment by juxtaposing train drivers salaries with those of pilots. |
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