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Post by fenrisulfr on May 22, 2018 12:04:38 GMT
The nanny state fuelled by the EU machine is looking at woodburning stoves.
Just wondering if they'd include vehicles with stoves??
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Post by VanWoman84 on May 22, 2018 12:17:16 GMT
I heard about this on LBC. I can't see how it could be stopped with vehicles. Houses are a different thing, they're fixed and can be 'fined'. It would be quite labour intensive to find the stoves though. It's not like they are registered. The only way I can see if for council officials to wander about looking for smoke. They might as well hit barbecues too.
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Post by fenrisulfr on May 22, 2018 12:57:48 GMT
Then there's the north, peat burning and good old household coal. I burn cobs at home and they stink vile when you catch a downdraught outside. The only alternative in the sticks is oil or gas so it's going to be the poor who will be hardest hit again as logs are the cheapest for heating unless you have one of those huge straw burners.
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Post by VanWoman84 on May 22, 2018 13:35:53 GMT
I don't know if the log burner outlawing will get to the country. Then again, there was mention of stopping farmers muck spreading.
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Post by fenrisulfr on May 22, 2018 14:38:58 GMT
Next they'll be making farmers put these on cattle
as they are supposed to produce 25% of the worlds methane.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 16:45:55 GMT
The EU haven’t outlawed log burners, it is just the UK that is proposing it as it is an easy target. Bonfires and scrub burning in some parts of France have been banned in the last few years, but that is a regional issue.
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Post by fenrisulfr on May 22, 2018 18:16:42 GMT
They outlawed stubble and hay bale burning a few years back. As you say it's an easy target.
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Post by EcoBob on May 22, 2018 18:53:36 GMT
Our main heat source at home is a log burner. we have no gas or oil. (we did have gas but had it disconnected when the old boiler packed up in 2012) I can't afford to get a new boiler fitted as apparently gas pipes would need moving, fuse box would need replacing radiators fitted etc etc the cost would be several thousand that I don't have. Our hot water comes mainly from solar panels with an override emersion switch if needed, (but it hardly ever gets used)
Also I like the fact that I can buy logs from who I want to and don't have to enter into a contact with any large company, my money goes straight to the farmer or whoever supplies me.
They were offering government boiler schemes round here but on the face of it they're a load of bollocks as they only apply if you already have a non efficient oil or gas boiler, and don't apply if you have no boiler at all.
Like you say it's the poor that will be hardest hit if this goes ahead,
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Post by bigbear67 on May 22, 2018 19:52:58 GMT
Makes you sick outlawing fuckin slurry and manure spreading,which has occurred ever since farm animals were domesticated. Suppose the farmers will have to pay someone to burn it for them now, and once they can't use it on the land we can see the whole country turn into a desert. Then the bastards can say we can't manage without European food imports, we can all eat whatever shit they decide to send us and the government can use every spare acre of land to build more fuckin houses all owned by the already obscenely rich,to house more immigrants as well as all the people who can no longer live in their vans etc. What the fuck is wrong with this country's leaders? Aren't they supposed to be there to look out for us and get us a fair deal,instead of having our pants down on every issue they can?
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Post by duckman on May 23, 2018 0:59:03 GMT
In Australia Canberra, Armidale and Launceston have all been places whit poor air quality in winter.These are also some of the coldest places in winter.Legislation was brought in so you are only allowed thick smoke out of your wood heater for 10 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 6:00:45 GMT
Our main heat source at home is a log burner. we have no gas or oil. (we did have gas but had it disconnected when the old boiler packed up in 2012) I can't afford to get a new boiler fitted as apparently gas pipes would need moving, fuse box would need replacing radiators fitted etc etc the cost would be several thousand that I don't have. Our hot water comes mainly from solar panels with an override emersion switch if needed, (but it hardly ever gets used) Also I like the fact that I can buy logs from who I want to and don't have to enter into a contact with any large company, my money goes straight to the farmer or whoever supplies me. They were offering government boiler schemes round here but on the face of it they're a load of bollocks as they only apply if you already have a non efficient oil or gas boiler, and don't apply if you have no boiler at all. Like you say it's the poor that will be hardest hit if this goes ahead, I've owned two properties with woodburners,and also loved the fact I could just order when needed,and know there was no nasty bill coming my way.My next house will definately have to have a woodburner,I miss lighting a fire.
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Post by NomadCris on May 25, 2018 12:13:50 GMT
Theyre enot outlawing woodburning stoves altogether at all. Theyre trying to make homeowners fit more environmentally friendly burners that produce less smoke,particularly in urban areas where theres been a trend to installing them because the wood fuel is cheaper. Most urban areas are smokeless fuel zones from the old coal fire days and people switched to oil or gas but now wood is cheaper.Theyre affected by wood smoke and diesel emissions.
I doubt it will make much difference to mobile installations and rural homes may only be affected if 'new build' and if they change building regs.
Theyre not outlawing slurry and manure spreading either.Farmers are already limited to the period they can spread manure and slurry to prevent it leeching into the water courses.They do tend to dump more too quickly especially near urban areas where theyre buying sewage treatment waste and the breakdown is affecting local residential areas,not to mention the pesticides/herbicides.
Its all very well saying 'in the good old days we did X and no one moaned' but the Uk population has almost doubled since the early 20th century.
Even since 1945 theres an extra 12 million Brits,you cant just keep on churning all kinds of noxious shit into the environment and not expect consequences.
No doubt in my mind that future generations will look back at those of the last 100 year period of history and conclude they were one of the most wasteful selfish destructive few generations theres been. Now we (and them [our children and grandchildren])are all going to pay for that selfishness. At least someone somewhere is trying to do something about it.
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Post by VanWoman84 on May 25, 2018 12:26:14 GMT
It's a good point about the population increase. The thing is, in town, many homes are flats. Most flats (specially conversions) don't have the capability to fit a woodburner, ie no chimney. So when you think about it, outlawing woodburners in town probably won't make any difference.
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Post by NomadCris on May 25, 2018 13:21:08 GMT
On the contrary theres been a marked trend in London for fitting woodburners,the biggest trend than there is nationally because the wood is cheap and the fires are trendy and in vogue and the cosy factor pushed by the fancy media magazines. Its not flats and apartments, its more upmarket detached or semi property owners fitting them.
Similar trend in other prosperous cities though which is why the older style of woodburners are being phased out to more efficient ones under previous changes.
Theyre still not efficient enough to comply with smokeless fuel regs that pre-dated the EU and were introduced by the UK government of the time to tackle urban smog that was causing serious health issues.
The proposed rule changes wont affect poor folk in flats and apartments because theyre not allowed to fit coal or wood fires anyway.
Mostly it will hit the higher income bods who have money to spend on woodburners which are usually pretty expensive to buy.
Most van and boat owners cant fit a burner equivalent to domestic house burners because theyre too big and produce too much heat.
The government could stop burners in vehicles overnight if it outlawed the fitting of stoves that burned combustible solids on the grounds of safety,theres no auto cutout in a wood stove.
Honestly though i get pissed off with the siege attitude in this country its almost as bad as Americans,the guvmint/EU are going to attack us, take away our guns take our food blah di blah.
We should be more worried about PSPO (public space protection orders) our own government introduced legislation for and are being used wantonly, than this issue. Why is it on sky news? Because it will affect its mostly well heeled viewers amd another 'nasty EU boo hiss' story which no doubt the Daily Heil amd The Scum will follow up.
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Post by valdez on Jun 2, 2018 21:27:50 GMT
i think i saw nottingham council as got a problem with people using wood burns
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