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Post by NomadCris on Apr 16, 2020 12:27:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 12:30:18 GMT
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 16, 2020 14:03:28 GMT
Well, it's odd but this lockdown situation feels much more normal for me than 'normal' did before. I've found the social distancing very pleasurable! It still seems completely bizarre to me that they haven't gone big on the PPE, testing and contact tracing as that seems to be a way to manage it without having to keep so much closed down? Unless I'm not understanding how that works properly, but it seems possible to track it more effectively that way? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 14:11:40 GMT
They don't want to track it, gist. They want to keep up the pretence that our numbers are lower than France, and have peaked when the government said they would peak.
This is a Tory govt, psychopaths who wish to practice euthanasia covertly as they cannot get away with it openly. Pretty well everything they tell us is a lie, easily verified.
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 16, 2020 16:36:46 GMT
They don't want to track it, gist. They want to keep up the pretence that our numbers are lower than France, and have peaked when the government said they would peak. This is a Tory govt, psychopaths who wish to practice euthanasia covertly as they cannot get away with it openly. Pretty well everything they tell us is a lie, easily verified. Oh God, it's grim, isn't it?! When something obvious isn't being done I always hope it's because I've misunderstood it but usually there is an unpleasant ulterior motive. Horrible stuff. Well, regardless of their horrible ethics and wanting to do away with people they're not getting their grubby mitts on my boy and we will stay indoors either until it's gone away or we've managed to tunnel to New Zealand where they seem to have managed it with minimal problems  Lol PS Corvus Happy Birthday for the other day, I just noticed it mentioned in the ShoutBox xx |
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 16, 2020 17:56:26 GMT
Its obvious from most of the statistics that those countries who have mass tested have had low death rates.
Here its been handled almost as abysmally badly as the US but for some bizarre reason the majority of people think the Government is doing a good job (at least those Tory voters who were asked for an opinion do.)
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 17, 2020 16:05:01 GMT
Another question from me as I've just read another 825 dead today; is that still not including care home deaths and would all those people have caught this before the lockdown started? So we'd still need to wait another couple of weeks before we see the lockdown reducing the death numbers?
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Post by cricket on Apr 18, 2020 13:47:33 GMT
Trains are still running in North Wales all along the coast.Locals are baying for blood from the second homers not a mention of trains etc.Buses are still running too.Are they being sanitised after every customer has got off?Is the air being changed?I saw an article today saying",dont worry about shopping packages.It should be okay.The shopkeepers should have practised precautions.So we should be okay."Ha Ha.The shoulds are not definates.In all the stores i have been in if gloves are used, the staff use same for customers packages,stocking,giving cards back etc.No masks either.In aldi lidl or Tesco.Most customers had no gloves or masks.Now the death reports have a note underneath saying deaths in hospitals only.Care home staff are rarely qualified in actual nursing.Low paid,unqualified.Sad the cashier i spoke to in Aldi had a thin homemade mask she had made herself sitting behind a screen only 4 ft high.Nothing would have stopped ger getting infected via airborne particles.She was lovely.She said she had to be careful as her partner wasx diabetic.WTF dont big store act properly instead of lip service to minimal govt reqs?I also am glad to be excused dealing with people.
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Post by bernie on Apr 18, 2020 20:58:36 GMT
I have heard in the last few hours of another former work colleague has died of covid, I remember the name but never worked with him. Plus my OH's cousin died yesterday from it but she was in a hospice anyway.
It brings to seven the number of people I have heard of that have died from the virus. I think I will still be washing my shopping or not touching it for three days.
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 18, 2020 21:30:49 GMT
Wise move Bernie, cant be too careful. Stay safe.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Apr 18, 2020 21:35:26 GMT
Wow that's bad bernie. I don't as yet know anybody who got it, let alone died. Sorry for your loss. |
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 18, 2020 22:33:39 GMT
Another question from me as I've just read another 825 dead today; is that still not including care home deaths and would all those people have caught this before the lockdown started? So we'd still need to wait another couple of weeks before we see the lockdown reducing the death numbers? . This is the problem, deaths are only hospital confirmed cases admitted and died in hospital. We dont know the actual figure of those who have died at home. Because of poor testing we have no real clue how many in the population at large actually are infected. The lockdown will only suppress the chance of spread. In some people 14 days is long enough for the virus to be killed off in the body. Big problem is some people are carriers and in some the incubation period is much longer as was found in China so it can still come back. Theres scientific doubt that those 'cured' are actually free of the virus and whether it can reactivate itself Its fairyland thinking to assume we can lift lockdown in a few weeks and just go back to normal business as usual. Life wont be normal or safe until there is a vaccine available. Certainly it will mean vulnerable and elderly living in isolation for months. The Government politicians need to realise that and stop bullshitting everyone that its just a matter weeks and we can just carry on. I honestly don't think they believe we can handle the truth and need to be spoon fed information and told lies to make us believe theyre doing a good job.Their only interest is the economy and businesses making money, the virus is interfering and theyre doing the minimum they can so things can return to what theyd prefer life to be. Coronavirus doesnt give a fuck about money or the economy it just wants to replicate and spread. If you dont stop that you wont get rid of it, corporate and economic interests are secondary. Truth is they fucked up,misread the blatantly obvious signs,failed to prepare adequately and did so far too late to stop it and we are all paying the price and will be for years. |
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Post by bernie on Apr 19, 2020 5:28:34 GMT
There is an article in the Telegraph this morning saying how regular UK orders for PPE from their suppliers in Egypt, India and China have been blocked by the governments of those countries. French customs have held back orders too.
This highlights the core of the problem with PPE, if it was produced at home by UK companies none of this would happen.
Britain is having to play a form of "Whac-a-Mole" as the Government attempts to overturn export bans and requisitioning by countries attempting to stop medication and protective equipment being sent abroad, a senior minister has said.
Countries such as Egypt, India, Taiwan and Turkey, have banned the export of specific medical supplies in recent weeks as they attempt to shore up their own response to the Covid-19 pandemic.
As stocks of products such as medical gowns run low in the UK, ministers have been pleading with counterparts abroad to allow items, many of them part of pre-existing orders, to be flown here to supply the NHS. "That's where a lot of our work is", said one senior minister.
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 19, 2020 6:29:56 GMT
I have read of British companies offering PPE though and not receiving a response? I'll post the links up if I can find them again, it was a few days ago now.
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 19, 2020 6:42:01 GMT
Another question from me as I've just read another 825 dead today; is that still not including care home deaths and would all those people have caught this before the lockdown started? So we'd still need to wait another couple of weeks before we see the lockdown reducing the death numbers? . This is the problem, deaths are only hospital confirmed cases admitted and died in hospital. We dont know the actual figure of those who have died at home. Because of poor testing we have no real clue how many in the population at large actually are infected. The lockdown will only suppress the chance of spread. In some people 14 days is long enough for the virus to be killed off in the body. Big problem is some people are carriers and in some the incubation period is much longer as was found in China so it can still come back. Theres scientific doubt that those 'cured' are actually free of the virus and whether it can reactivate itself Its fairyland thinking to assume we can lift lockdown in a few weeks and just go back to normal business as usual. Life wont be normal or safe until there is a vaccine available. Certainly it will mean vulnerable and elderly living in isolation for months. The Government politicians need to realise that and stop bullshitting everyone that its just a matter weeks and we can just carry on. I honestly don't think they believe we can handle the truth and need to be spoon fed information and told lies to make us believe theyre doing a good job.Their only interest is the economy and businesses making money, the virus is interfering and theyre doing the minimum they can so things can return to what theyd prefer life to be. Coronavirus doesnt give a fuck about money or the economy it just wants to replicate and spread. If you dont stop that you wont get rid of it, corporate and economic interests are secondary. Truth is they fucked up,misread the blatantly obvious signs,failed to prepare adequately and did so far too late to stop it and we are all paying the price and will be for years. This is what I really don't get, I know there have been reports about Reese Moggs company making a profit out of this but a long term economic collapse is catastrophic for so many, including the banks and the corporates. It's such a colossal, monumental fuck up that I don't get why they didn't get in front of it, even if it was just to protect the economy rather than doing it to protect people? I don't mean this in a rude way but my son understands how serious this is and he has learning disabilities so it can't be a case of people not understanding what was going on and how bad it might be, particularly as it ripped through other countries before this one? So that's what I really don't get, why they didn't at least take steps to protect the economy in advance (which really they could have done by stopping non-essential travel and isolating anyone who came in). The other thing I don't get (there are many things!) is I don't get why the fatality numbers are hovering around the 800 mark? Does it sort of effect very even numbers of people? It just seems odd to me that it's staying at that point, rather than either getting higher or lower (and obviously I would prefer it to be getting lower, it's kind of freaking me out that it's just staying in that one place)? |
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Lol PS Corvus Happy Birthday for the other day, I just noticed it mentioned in the ShoutBox xx
