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Post by cricket on Apr 8, 2020 10:08:54 GMT
Givingitsomethought..........The recorded deaths proven to originate from Covid escalate and are marked in a graph which is climbing as more get infected and die.Social isolation is enforced,people then dont spread it as much so less get infected and die.Consequently the deaths recorded from Covid lessen and the curve seems to level out in numbers.When it starts to drop it just means the social isolation leading to less deaths is working.It does not mean the risk of death from Covid if you get it is lessening.There is no cure.Medics only support your body fighting the infection,fatality in hospital is still very possible.If everyone in the country isolated totally now.Touched no infectious surfaces,breathed no virus in,within 6 weeks which is infection to death,if you are going to die from it,people will stop dieing from in so curve will go to zero.A big thing about The Curve graph focus is that it is reinforcing what the government wants and gives people hope that this plague will pass.I dont believe China is zero at all,pockets will still break out ad infinitum until a vaccine is found.Even if we recover after infection it will leave damage in our lungs most likely causing a knockon health effect.It will weaken most it touches to some degree.It is alarming,overwhelming and devastating upon those specially with no comprehension or experience of infectious disease and Spanish flu in 1918 ish is now beyond living memory,though per percentage of population existing at that time it caused far more deaths.Im sure I remember some horror flu in the 70s?The governments slow coverage that Covid can survive 72 hours plus on hard surfaces possibly longer didnt help.Nor does the packed tube trains seen 3 days ago.Too much of our health relies on others,so we need to protect ourselves and trust noone.
I wash all my shopping in a weak bleach solution.A real drag.I leave unimportant stuff in the shed for a week.I go over all switches and handles with disinfectant wipes,also the car door handles,before I get in it as we have passing people.The very old bubonic plague pit excavated in recent times,that was a bacteria ,was still active,people died.How long will a virus live in favourable conditions?
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 8, 2020 10:12:37 GMT
Thanks, F, so really it's just going to be an ongoing problem because even if you get the infection rate pretty low then you only need someone to come back from abroad with it and it can all start up again? Unless/until a vaccine is produced? And I guess even then it won't be 100%, you do hear of people catching conditions they've been vaccinated against. Bloody hell. It's too much information for my little brain to cope with, I've not even managed to get the hang of soda bread yet! Thank you for taking the time to explain it, it does help settle the questions down for me  x |
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Post by bernie on Apr 8, 2020 11:08:32 GMT
I thought I'd ask my Covid questions over here so's not to clog up the other thread but I am getting more confused the more I read. I'm confused about this thing about flattening the curve, mostly because even with social distancing and the lockdown there must still be millions of people out every day, either because their jobs are essential or because they need to go out and get groceries or just go for a walk (or be a dick and drive from Nottingham to London as someone was apparently caught doing yesterday). So it would still be spreading amongst those people? And many of them would just get a bit unwell, not be ill enough to need hospital or die? So they might not even know they have it? I'm finding all the numbers confusing and I don't really understand the way they talk about it - is the curve the number of people dying or the number of people getting it? And do you think they are just quietly doing this herd immunity thing and fudging the numbers a bit (that's me with my tin foil hat on - I'm just confused by one report saying 60,000 deaths and the other one saying it's not as bad as we thought it was going to be)? Thanks in advance to anyone clever enough to understand it all. I need a biscuit now IMO it's the rate of infection that needs to be watched, the deaths just a 'by-product' (and the figures wrong anyway) but when the infection rate flattens off we're at the peak although there may be a blip or two as peeps break the rules or NHS or others get it from working with the 'infected'. Some infected people will continue to die from 'complications' after the infection rate hits zero. Then there's the world travellers stuck abroad ( again IMO most are twunts as they would have had plenty of warning on what was happening but decided to stay on their hols instead of hotfooting it home) some will return bringing it back with them and it will start again in hot-spots.
The key workers are playing russian roulette on getting ill but without them the system would collapse but providing they take extra care they should be safe but there's always that risk. Too many 'buts' I know, got my lazy head on.
Social distancing is the answer as well as hygiene until a vaccine is found or we will be having this problem forever.
As for the 'tourists', 2nd home brigade and rental cottages, the locals have missed their chance on burning them out. Sorry but they do deprive local folk of the chance to continue to live locally in the majority of places in the UK.
The problem with tracking the rate of infection is that nobody is being tested. The number of cases only reflects people who are admitted to hospital which is hardly representative of the population as a whole |
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 8, 2020 11:17:40 GMT
Theres still 2 to 300,000 British citizens trapped abroad and vast majority were hung out to dry by their tour company airlines abruptly cancelling flights or trapped by the countries theyre in slapping travel bans and closing ports,particularly India Argentina Peru Spain New Zealand.The British consulates and Foreign office have been next to useless with assistance getting them back until very recently under pressure from the stranded tourists using twitter and facebook.
Now theyre having to pay for seats on Government charted flights with no refunds on their original cancelled flights and had to pay for weeks of extra accomodation. I dont envy any of them especially when they get back they cant get food and subject to lockdown and shortages. Must be a fucking nightmare if theyve got kids with them as well.
People being hung out to dry in this crisis seems to be an ongoing theme. Airlines Supermarkets employers and Governnent have all acted irresponsibly in 'managing' the sutuation,now we are all stuffed.
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 8, 2020 11:32:52 GMT
Givingitsomethought..........The recorded deaths proven to originate from Covid escalate and are marked in a graph which is climbing as more get infected and die.Social isolation is enforced,people then dont spread it as much so less get infected and die.Consequently the deaths recorded from Covid lessen and the curve seems to level out in numbers.When it starts to drop it just means the social isolation leading to less deaths is working.It does not mean the risk of death from Covid if you get it is lessening.There is no cure.Medics only support your body fighting the infection,fatality in hospital is still very possible.If everyone in the country isolated totally now.Touched no infectious surfaces,breathed no virus in,within 6 weeks which is infection to death,if you are going to die from it,people will stop dieing from in so curve will go to zero.A big thing about The Curve graph focus is that it is reinforcing what the government wants and gives people hope that this plague will pass.I dont believe China is zero at all,pockets will still break out ad infinitum until a vaccine is found.Even if we recover after infection it will leave damage in our lungs most likely causing a knockon health effect.It will weaken most it touches to some degree.It is alarming,overwhelming and devastating upon those specially with no comprehension or experience of infectious disease and Spanish flu in 1918 ish is now beyond living memory,though per percentage of population existing at that time it caused far more deaths.Im sure I remember some horror flu in the 70s?The governments slow coverage that Covid can survive 72 hours plus on hard surfaces possibly longer didnt help.Nor does the packed tube trains seen 3 days ago.Too much of our health relies on others,so we need to protect ourselves and trust noone. I wash all my shopping in a weak bleach solution.A real drag.I leave unimportant stuff in the shed for a week.I go over all switches and handles with disinfectant wipes,also the car door handles,before I get in it as we have passing people.The very old bubonic plague pit excavated in recent times,that was a bacteria ,was still active,people died.How long will a virus live in favourable conditions? That is scary, Cricket, because you just wouldn't be able to enforce a total lockdown would you, as even just food, medicine and essential workers would still run in to millions I would have thought? Bloody hell. Yes the knock on effect is a worry; I had a really nasty chest infection a few years ago (having never had one before) and every time I get a cold now it goes straight to my chest so I think even that previous illness has left me with a bit of a weak spot. And so the people who do get better from it are just getting better through their own bodies fighting it off, the same way that you do with a cold? Medicine can only help the symptoms but doesn't actually cure the problem? Yes I am cleaning, washing and hand washing constantly, I've been washing all my groceries when I get them and the packaging goes straight out to the bin as well, then I worry about the bin men picking it up! Such scary stuff, thank you for the info x |
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 8, 2020 11:34:52 GMT
IMO it's the rate of infection that needs to be watched, the deaths just a 'by-product' (and the figures wrong anyway) but when the infection rate flattens off we're at the peak although there may be a blip or two as peeps break the rules or NHS or others get it from working with the 'infected'. Some infected people will continue to die from 'complications' after the infection rate hits zero. Then there's the world travellers stuck abroad ( again IMO most are twunts as they would have had plenty of warning on what was happening but decided to stay on their hols instead of hotfooting it home) some will return bringing it back with them and it will start again in hot-spots.
The key workers are playing russian roulette on getting ill but without them the system would collapse but providing they take extra care they should be safe but there's always that risk. Too many 'buts' I know, got my lazy head on.
Social distancing is the answer as well as hygiene until a vaccine is found or we will be having this problem forever.
As for the 'tourists', 2nd home brigade and rental cottages, the locals have missed their chance on burning them out. Sorry but they do deprive local folk of the chance to continue to live locally in the majority of places in the UK.
The problem with tracking the rate of infection is that nobody is being tested. The number of cases only reflects people who are admitted to hospital which is hardly representative of the population as a whole Yes I think that's a big problem, and I think the countries that got on top of it quickly tested and traced anyone that person had been in contact with to isolate them? So I think they contained it more quickly. It also makes me wonder how they'd know they'd achieved herd immunity if they've not got a reliable way of counting the number of people who've got it? |
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 8, 2020 11:38:11 GMT
Theres still 2 to 300,000 British citizens trapped abroad and vast majority were hung out to dry by their tour company airlines abruptly cancelling flights or trapped by the countries theyre in slapping travel bans and closing ports,particularly India Argentina Peru Spain New Zealand.The British consulates and Foreign office have been next to useless with assistance getting them back until very recently under pressure from the stranded tourists using twitter and facebook. Now theyre having to pay for seats on Government charted flights with no refunds on their original cancelled flights and had to pay for weeks of extra accomodation. I dont envy any of them especially when they get back they cant get food and subject to lockdown and shortages. Must be a fucking nightmare if theyve got kids with them as well. People being hung out to dry in this crisis seems to be an ongoing theme. Airlines Supermarkets employers and Governnent have all acted irresponsibly in 'managing' the sutuation,now we are all stuffed. It does feel like it will be used in the future as a good example of how not to manage a pandemic, doesn't it? We got our lockdown letter yesterday, two weeks after the lockdown started which just baffled me. I know not everyone is online and/or has a telly but I think you'd be hard pushed to find anyone now who was still blissfully unaware any of this was going on and needed to be notified by post. It's such a mad situation. |
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 8, 2020 11:45:02 GMT
Its no good the Government crowing over the infection rates if theyve such a small baseline of tests to go by.
Theyve no idea who has it,who had it and who is carrying it. Its incubation rate varies wildly from a few days to a few weeks as was found in Wuhan.
Only Germany has done rigorous testing and has low infection rate.
If the UK doesnt follow Italy Spain and France in the level of cases and high death rate it will be purely luck not judgement.
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 8, 2020 11:51:44 GMT
Theres still 2 to 300,000 British citizens trapped abroad and vast majority were hung out to dry by their tour company airlines abruptly cancelling flights or trapped by the countries theyre in slapping travel bans and closing ports,particularly India Argentina Peru Spain New Zealand.The British consulates and Foreign office have been next to useless with assistance getting them back until very recently under pressure from the stranded tourists using twitter and facebook. Now theyre having to pay for seats on Government charted flights with no refunds on their original cancelled flights and had to pay for weeks of extra accomodation. I dont envy any of them especially when they get back they cant get food and subject to lockdown and shortages. Must be a fucking nightmare if theyve got kids with them as well. People being hung out to dry in this crisis seems to be an ongoing theme. Airlines Supermarkets employers and Governnent have all acted irresponsibly in 'managing' the sutuation,now we are all stuffed. It does feel like it will be used in the future as a good example of how not to manage a pandemic, doesn't it? We got our lockdown letter yesterday, two weeks after the lockdown started which just baffled me. I know not everyone is online and/or has a telly but I think you'd be hard pushed to find anyone now who was still blissfully unaware any of this was going on and needed to be notified by post. It's such a mad situation. Yes my neighbours have only just got their govt letters and of the utterly pointless and ineffective 1.5 million food box scheme only a few tens of thousands have gone out. Fiasco springs to mind. The BBC propaganda unit will ensure the Government comes out of it all smelling of roses though. |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Apr 8, 2020 13:16:36 GMT
Also, I can't help thinking we will be hearing
"we can't do XXX because of what Covid 19 cost the government"
for a very long time after it's over...
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 8, 2020 13:26:15 GMT
Also, I can't help thinking we will be hearing "we can't do XXX because of what Covid 19 cost the government" for a very long time after it's over... That's my biggest fear, Vannie - this is costing hundreds of billions and they won't go after the billionaires and the big corporates for it. That scares me more than the virus itself. I can see them ramping up the anti disability/benefits/public services stuff, even though this has shown how important all those things are. But the papers will have four years to weave their magic before the next election and that really frightens me x |
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Post by cricket on Apr 8, 2020 15:36:55 GMT
Also, I can't help thinking we will be hearing "we can't do XXX because of what Covid 19 cost the government" for a very long time after it's over... That's my biggest fear, Vannie - this is costing hundreds of billions and they won't go after the billionaires and the big corporates for it. That scares me more than the virus itself. I can see them ramping up the anti disability/benefits/public services stuff, even though this has shown how important all those things are. But the papers will have four years to weave their magic before the next election and that really frightens me x Try not to worry about the future too much Gist, just try to focus on getting through the next day.First we have to survive.Do you have any support at all with your lad?Does he understand the situation?I was very pd off this week went to Lidl.In the past clean and hygenic so i thought it would be the best bet.Near empty at 7pm but cleaning staff getting within a foot of me and others till i shouted at them .The cashier had no gloves or mask and the short stack area by her till meant we were only 3ft apart sorting payment and shopping.A fkg farce.Hot shower change clothes ,tcp gargle,all things cleaned.All prob did nothing but i was scared after that.They should not be still employing people with learning difficulties in situations that they can adhere to hygiene.This is a death situation FFS. |
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Post by fenrisulfr on Apr 8, 2020 18:03:51 GMT
Just been told by my neighbour that his uncle, an 82yr old who was quite fit has just gone after getting the virus. He only went shopping at his local shop for his paper and had shopped at Aldi three weeks ago other than that he kept himself to himself.
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Post by bigbear67 on Apr 8, 2020 19:21:20 GMT
Don't even know anyone with a cold just now, but starting to wonder if we won't all know someone who's gone by the time its over....🤔😞
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Post by bernie on Apr 8, 2020 21:19:05 GMT
Don't even know anyone with a cold just now, but starting to wonder if we won't all know someone who's gone by the time its over....🤔😞 Well I know of three, maybe four already that have died from it |
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