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Post by danann on Apr 3, 2020 0:00:00 GMT
Heard that In another Europe country top scientists etc think it might be Holland or Sweden that they have been testing the Sewage and found traces of Covid19 ... they said it’s safe for sewage works etc but it was more to do with that it could help with and tracing and monitoring the amount of Covid 19 levels in countries esp with the more people suffering sadly and get infected with the severe form of Covid 19 cases and the more serious outbreak of Covid 19 .in countries !
It was very Scientifically spoken off and more in depth which I couldn’t fully understand hahaha but what I said above was the bits I did pick up on and could understand hahaha .. but I’m sure if anybody looks it up it will show up and you might understand it more fully than me .!!!
But I thought it was fascinating and could be truly helpful now and in future no matter if it be sewage or not because anything that can help detect Covid 19 And to the extent of the infection in countries say like Italy where it has been sooo aggressive and many having the more Aggreesive form of Covid 19 that sadly people get Etc so that they could possible prepare more and possible try to control spread of infection has got to be a good thing .
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Post by fenrisulfr on Apr 3, 2020 14:43:04 GMT
Had to go into town for new meds as the ones issued a few days ago didn't suit me and there's no delivery for a week. There was a queue of about 15 peeps all stood about 2 yards apart waiting to go in (one in/ one out system). Only one was wearing a mask, none were wearing gloves and a couple had scarves pulled up on their mouths. Their sideways glances just said it all.
Austria won't let you shop without a mask, we're playing catch-up yet again but enough info is out there for folk to know that they should be taking more care.
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Post by bernie on Apr 3, 2020 17:51:01 GMT
Heard that In another Europe country top scientists etc think it might be Holland or Sweden that they have been testing the Sewage and found traces of Covid19 ... they said it’s safe for sewage works etc but it was more to do with that it could help with and tracing and monitoring the amount of Covid 19 levels in countries esp with the more people suffering sadly and get infected with the severe form of Covid 19 cases and the more serious outbreak of Covid 19 .in countries ! It was very Scientifically spoken off and more in depth which I couldn’t fully understand hahaha but what I said above was the bits I did pick up on and could understand hahaha .. but I’m sure if anybody looks it up it will show up and you might understand it more fully than me .!!! But I thought it was fascinating and could be truly helpful now and in future no matter if it be sewage or not because anything that can help detect Covid 19 And to the extent of the infection in countries say like Italy where it has been sooo aggressive and many having the more Aggreesive form of Covid 19 that sadly people get Etc so that they could possible prepare more and possible try to control spread of infection has got to be a good thing . The only flaw I can think of with testing sewage is that soap and detergent destroys the virus. sewage will contain washing up water and bathwater etc so it might distort the test. |
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 3, 2020 18:27:57 GMT
Had to go into town for new meds as the ones issued a few days ago didn't suit me and there's no delivery for a week. There was a queue of about 15 peeps all stood about 2 yards apart waiting to go in (one in/ one out system). Only one was wearing a mask, none were wearing gloves and a couple had scarves pulled up on their mouths. Their sideways glances just said it all. Austria won't let you shop without a mask, we're playing catch-up yet again but enough info is out there for folk to know that they should be taking more care. I walked the 3 miles to nearest village to use ATM next to coop. No one there so got money. Decided to nip in coop as it appeared to be empty only 6 in queue for checkout. No one else wearing masks. Cashiers were only wearing gloves. Black guy mopping floor was only one dressed in full PPE. Anyway took half hour to get out of shop as cashiers were so slow and by that time outside was like it was normal sunday village outing. Two young couples with toddlers standing together gassing with their kids running about. Several Teenagers sat in a line on the wall and some youngsters on motorbikes blasting up and down the road. I did a wide detour and got away asap. Saw another two couples sat by pond with kids feeding the ducks... I only saw one other person wearing a mask in the village,an old lady with I presume her daughter not wearing a mask. Bizarre. |
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Post by fenrisulfr on Apr 3, 2020 20:29:46 GMT
I wonder at times if it's me being out of step but fck it, I nearly always have been but wearing full kit I felt a divvy but somewhat safer. Got some spuds from a farm shop on the way home and got served by a lad that knew me, he only had gloves and was standing well back from the only other customer when she paid for her order (no PPE) but was fully relaxed when serving me and said you've got to do it. Just thinking for ffs, he's got a wife and kids and only had gloves on, no mask. He may have been safe from me but I trust no-one in this matter, to me they are all possibly infected so my guard is kept up.
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 3, 2020 21:04:56 GMT
Just spoke to my friend who lives in another busy village and she said people are the same there,the lockdown doesnt apply to them,theyre all indestructible.
They need to see the videos from Italy. The Government will make sure its all censored here.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Apr 3, 2020 21:06:25 GMT
I'm still struggling to take in the death-rate in the UK, over 684 today alone, this is going to be going at this rate for at least another 10 days with dwindling lower rates afterwards if all goes to plan. I just don't get the complacency of peeps that I see.
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 3, 2020 21:15:08 GMT
No i dont but they wont get it either until family members die army trucks are carrying coffinsxaway like in Italy and they cant have proper funerals or chance to grieve.
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Post by cricket on Apr 3, 2020 22:03:10 GMT
small shopkeepers up here I have seen people lean over to yap no ppe,no gloves no masks.Even superstores staff not in masks.They think a plastic screen at the checkout. stops airflow ffs.Russian roulette.If you go in a superstore you have to weave all round the store in a line even if you dont want to go in for much.I want to click and collect but noone will tell me if i have to actually go in or not.I dont want to go in the store as i dont want to breath in their air.As for goods i wash everything quick in dilute bleach.Me too ,desperate for choccy marshmallows and jelly trifle.never having fridge or freezer i shop mentally for long store stuff...really want junk food now.Been thinking about who makes bread and what ppe they use as its a good moist harbour for germs.I would like to go back on the wards to help out but want to know if i have immunity or not first.How do i do that?
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 4, 2020 7:15:54 GMT
I don't understand the complacency either, the Mirror headline last night was the coffin of a 13 year old boy being lowered into the ground by four fellas in complete protective gear, no family there because they're all self-isolating now. He died on his own and was buried on his own. If that doesn't bring it home I don't know what will. It also has the knock on effect of all the other ill people who aren't able to get treatment now because they need the beds for this, and people who die for other reasons not being able to have a funeral. Although having said that, it is all so mind blowing that I can kind of get people just not accepting it - it's too big and scary.
On a different note, on the other Covid thread it mentioned all the people in ICU are under 50 - is that because they're not trying to save over 50s now? Or are over 50s not getting ill?
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Post by bernie on Apr 4, 2020 9:57:05 GMT
On a different note, on the other Covid thread it mentioned all the people in ICU are under 50 - is that because they're not trying to save over 50s now? Or are over 50s not getting ill? Its because the youngest always get priority over the older patients. That's the reality of managing a limited resource. A friend of mine, Mike died a couple of years back of a heart condition. It wasn't a self inflicted own goal type heart condition, he had a virus which had damaged his heart but it could have been years ago, the damage only showed up later in his life. A heart transplant could have saved him and he was on the waiting list but he knew and accepted that he would never get to the top of the list because of his age. He was 60 and there would always be a younger candidate, he was right. |
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Post by cricket on Apr 4, 2020 11:49:25 GMT
A sad but true reality Bernie.After I turned 50 I noticed it was becoming increasingly difficult to get a decent job with prospects.The job coach denied it was my age saying that employers know not to discriminate.If people listen carefully to the global news there are plenty of references to,clinicians having to make very difficult decisions re who gets ventilators.Also are many references to those who dont have a chance will be cared for to alleviate their suffering.Some sentences are left unfinished but the meaning is very clear.As you said, finite resources in medicine and police too,in fact any public service ,mean those in charge have to decide realistic priorities.After 50 I was not worth the investment in training and not in my prime re health hence a potential liability.If there is one ventilator and its me or a 20 year old I wont get it.Its a reality many people, who are used to getting what they want and without any prior thought about the true nature of life with a NHS that the government is not adequately funding,are having a tough job accepting.
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Post by givingitsomethought on Apr 4, 2020 13:42:14 GMT
It really bothers me that people are prioritised in that way. Should a convicted rapist be given priority over someone who's never hurt anyone because they're younger or not disabled? That whole attitude in society really troubles me, whether it's people being written off because of their age or because they have disabilities. it seems very reductive? What about what we do with ourselves and how we are with other people, kindness, compassion, not endlessly consuming things we don't need? Maybe that system of selection is one that needs overhauling now? I think the current situation is throwing a lot of things into a very harsh light. I'm finding it quite baffling that son and I are having a much nicer time having to stay in than we usually would, and are both feeling a lot better for it. It kind of makes me realise how excluded we feel from society a lot of the time - it kind of has to stop for us to feel better? It's a weird feeling.
I get what you mean about the job, thing, Cricket, I've a friend who has worked since he was 16 but he's been laid off twice in the last two years and it's taking him ages even to get put forward for jobs or to get interviews, and he thinks it's because he's over 50 now. I get that some people get stuck in their ways but lots don't, and they have all that experience to put forward, plus, I would think, less likely to turn up hungover, leave early because their boyfriend just turned up, need to keep going on maternity leave and so on. You would think there would be a lot of pluses to an older workforce (probably less likely to leave I'd have thought, I think a lot of us focus more on security as we get older rather than climbing that golden ladder).
Bernie did your friend never get his transplant then?
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Post by NomadCris on Apr 4, 2020 15:39:32 GMT
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Post by wanderingwill on Apr 4, 2020 17:37:18 GMT
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