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Post by VanWoman84 on Dec 1, 2020 19:19:43 GMT
I'm with you NomadCris, no covid vaccine has been full tested to my mind. I'm not anti vax, just anti this one!
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Post by NomadCris on Dec 1, 2020 19:41:51 GMT
Im not anti-vac,it normally takes several years of careful research to certify drugs and vaccines safe for use.I dont tbink its acceptable or wise to rush into approving vaccines simply for expediency and on relatively limited evidencial data gathered so far. Scientists are still in the early stages of understanding the virus,let alone how to effectively counter it safely. 90 or 95% effective doesnt mean its totally safe or doesnt have unforeseen consequences. Its bypassing the evidence gathering and tearing up the certification procedures because theres big money to be made,non of them pharmaceuticals are doing it for any great philanthropic reasons.
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Post by parrotandcrow on Dec 1, 2020 19:45:31 GMT
Same here. I don’t trust the speed with which this has been rushed out.
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Post by bungo@mabungo on Dec 1, 2020 20:36:56 GMT
Ditto .
Apparently funding has been a bit higher than normal research and more volenteers to try it than is usual .
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Post by lika on Dec 1, 2020 21:05:11 GMT
This was what was said yesterday , they seemed to have changed their minds today. Slimy ,slippery, totally trustworthy bastarts. "Vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi suggests Brits who dont have a jab could be banned from cinemas and the footie. "I think you’ll probably find that restaurants and bars and cinemas and other venues, sports venues, will probably also use that system"
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Post by fenrisulfr on Dec 1, 2020 21:57:21 GMT
Im not anti-vac,it normally takes several years of careful research to certify drugs and vaccines safe for use.I dont tbink its acceptable or wise to rush into approving vaccines simply for expediency and on relatively limited evidencial data gathered so far. Scientists are still in the early stages of understanding the virus,let alone how to effectively counter it safely. 90 or 95% effective doesnt mean its totally safe or doesnt have unforeseen consequences. Its bypassing the evidence gathering and tearing up the certification procedures because theres big money to be made,non of them pharmaceuticals are doing it for any great philanthropic reasons. Sorry but I disagree with you on that, you're being too fn cynical although some twunt will get rich out of it but it won't be the government. Didn't they sign up along with other countries to a treatise on profits to be curbed so that poorer nations could have it at cost!
I'm unsure on having it right off as I too have some doubts on an untested product and would accept being on the outside if refusal barred me from events, you really have to be some sort of saddo to miss football or a Cliff Richard concert.........
but from history and scuse the sick humour to make a point
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Post by oldkeith on Dec 1, 2020 22:33:25 GMT
The BMJ raises concerns about exactly what the present vaccine tests are actually telling us, as opposed to what we might think they are telling us: www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037
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Post by lika on Dec 1, 2020 22:52:50 GMT
Im not anti-vac,it normally takes several years of careful research to certify drugs and vaccines safe for use.I dont tbink its acceptable or wise to rush into approving vaccines simply for expediency and on relatively limited evidencial data gathered so far. Scientists are still in the early stages of understanding the virus,let alone how to effectively counter it safely. 90 or 95% effective doesnt mean its totally safe or doesnt have unforeseen consequences. Its bypassing the evidence gathering and tearing up the certification procedures because theres big money to be made,non of them pharmaceuticals are doing it for any great philanthropic reasons. Sorry but I disagree with you on that, you're being too fn cynical although some twunt will get rich out of it but it won't be the government. Didn't they sign up along with other countries to a treatise on profits to be curbed so that poorer nations could have it at cost!
I'm unsure on having it right off as I too have some doubts on an untested product and would accept being on the outside if refusal barred me from events, you really have to be some sort of saddo to miss football or a Cliff Richard concert.........
but from history and scuse the sick humour to make a point
OK , footie and Cliffy might not be your cup of tea , but what about stopping you meeting up with people or travelling outside your area, perhaps to Dovedale or the horse drawn festies?
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Post by NomadCris on Dec 1, 2020 23:32:08 GMT
Ill live with too fn cynical label, rather be cynical than blandly believe every bit of bollox the guvmint trots out as ' in the national interest'. Having worked for the guvmint in various guises for 30 years cynicism, skepticism or healthy dose of outright distrust of them is well founded.
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 2, 2020 8:40:14 GMT
everyone seems to be thinking that these vaccines are the thing that will stop you getting the virus, thats not true, it will only protect you from getting a worse dose of the virus, it wont stop anyone catching it, and even then the vaccine is only good for about 6 months so it will probably be an annual jab like the flu jab.
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Post by cricket on Dec 2, 2020 9:11:42 GMT
I live in an area that has one of the lowest infection rates in the whole country, why should I be forced to have a vaccine when I havent had as much as a sniffle all year? Forced?I didnt know we would be forced to have one.You are fortunate not to have caught it.You said you dont see anyone at present, thats ok if you are happy with that.I am getting cabin fever though.Miss friends ,want to go see people and for them to come see me.The vaccine looks like it may help us to not get so badly affected by it.I dont think it helps if we already have it.
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 2, 2020 9:33:45 GMT
The infection rates down here are the lowest in the country, the cities had their share but I'm rural, no one in my area even had a sniffle this year probably because we're all wearing masks. it is said once the vaccine is available places like restaurants, sports venues, cinema's and theatre's will ban anyone who hasnt had a jab so for those folks who go to these sorts of places then the vaccine will be mandatory.
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Post by NomadCris on Dec 2, 2020 10:07:47 GMT
53 million are now under tougher tier rules than before lockdown but they van threaten all they like as regards not going to places unless negative or vaccinated.
Wont make any difference to me i dont go to pubs restaurants cinema thetre sports grounds etc etc Stopping you going to shops for essentials would be a breach of basic human rights.
Now the government is set to roll put pfizer vaccine it probably won't matter in 12 months time.
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 2, 2020 11:42:25 GMT
having the vaccine dosent stop anyone getting the virus, thats the problem, everyone seems to act like once we have a vaccine covid will go away, it wont.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Dec 2, 2020 12:22:58 GMT
Is there any information about whether you can carry the virus if you are vaccinated? Given you can catch the virus more than once, why will the antibody response be different for the vaccine and the actual virus?
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