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Post by EcoBob on Oct 31, 2018 19:34:29 GMT
I guess up to a point they help with hand eye coordination but only in a 2 dimensional sense of things.
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Post by NomadCris on Nov 1, 2018 4:20:45 GMT
Must admit i did think the Dr Kneebone article was a bit suss but seen it on several MSM sites as ligit news.
Then again I did think it also a tad bizarre to draw attention to it since modern surgery is now moving rapidly away from cutting with knives and sewing with ligatures and to the use of lasers,electronic digital surgery,computerisd simulator instruction,computerised surgery...clips, staples and glues and heat fusion.
Im also guessing it cant say a lot for his students education either since most trainee surgeons (after completing their doctor training)tend to emanate from much wealthier backgrounds with supposedly a far better education than average comprehensive educated persons.
I think its probably fairly accurate to say people are losing their manual dexterity and manual skills though,even using mobile keyboards accurately to type is increasingly being replaced by swipes left or right up or down or using vague sweeps across letters and letting the software decide what words it is youre trying to compile.
All features ive turned off on my devices along with autocorrection.
I have a bad enough time writing while being dyslexic and irlen syndrome without all that auto stuff making things even more confusing.
The automatic nonsense packed into cars and home appliances and home entertainment so the user doesn't have to think for themselves is just crazy and all adds to the cost and consumption of the environment and just more things to go wrong.
I think a lot of this lack of dexterity is down to our education system and the obsession with teaching academic rather than practical skills, skills more suited to an online digital age.
Practical art and creative detailed manual skills are generally frowned on by politicians especially Conservatives as pointless and a waste of the education budget...but then they never have look at the bigger picture and insist on maintaining an education system fit for the 18th century..bright pupils from rich backgrounds will be taught well,the rest can learn to labour in low skill environments like shelf filling and order picking and answering phone calls in callcentres.
The real indicator of how much we've lost is when you take a look at how capable older people in their fifties sixties and seventies are at making things from scratch from raw materials or repairing things with basic tools....or similarly how handy and manually dextrous people of all ages are in parts of the world 'we' regard as 'third world'.
They can still make clothes shoes and household items from scratch with the very basic of tool collections...who can do that here in the UK? Apart from the old uns left amongst us.
Scary what we've lost in such a short time.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Nov 1, 2018 9:19:08 GMT
I've been treated by Mr Kneebones wife, also a GP (and she was good) and my thoughts on being told whom I was seeing had the 'wtf are you being serious' thoughts but he is real.
My old man repaired stuff, anything from shoes to household appliances but that was in simpler times when you could understand what you were dealing with. As a mechanic I repaired or removed parts for repair or adjusted parts as they were made to be adjustable and to last (shimming ect) but towards the end of my spell in that career mechanics were starting to become 'fitters' and someone else supplied replacement parts. All my mates who had cars and bikes did their own repairs at home. My O/H made her own clothes and wove on a loom to make cloth. Most things were repairable in the 50s/60s/70s but then business cottoned on to 'throwaway'.
Morlocks and Eloi come to mind today. We no longer make stuff but have evolved to depend on more 'primitive' (hard to find the exact word without sounding derogatory which it's not meant to be) 'lower paid' races to supply 'stuff' for next to nothing.
Lifes got too complicated. My lad is a computer buff, it's his job repair and maintain systems and he knows systems inside out but ask him to change the plugs on his car or repair a toaster and he'd be lost.
As said, too complicated, you can't repair most things and there's more to go wrong.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Nov 1, 2018 9:28:19 GMT
NC don't get me on auto correction! I hate it, it's the first thing I turn off!!
DON'T TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO SAY PHONE!!
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Post by boaty on Nov 2, 2018 13:30:07 GMT
NC don't get me on auto correction! I boldly hate it. Fracking useless piece of shale. |
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Post by EcoBob on Nov 2, 2018 13:54:56 GMT
Lifes got too complicated. My lad is a computer buff, it's his job repair and maintain systems and he knows systems inside out but ask him to change the plugs on his car or repair a toaster and he'd be lost. As said, too complicated, you can't repair most things and there's more to go wrong. Sadly even toasters have circuit boards and microchips these days. I got out of the trade 10 years ago and don't miss it, it's not mechanics anymore, it's not about fixing components, it's about replacing them. they design cars not to be able to be fixed at home unless you have expensive and up to date diagnostic equipment. I can remember even 15 years ago some certain models had to be plugged in just to be able to bleed the brakes and don't get me started on electric handbrakes. |
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Post by cricket on Nov 7, 2018 11:20:22 GMT
I guess up to a point they help with hand eye coordination but only in a 2 dimensional sense of things. How many dimensions are there?I am sure I only inhabit 1.  |
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Post by pyke13 on Dec 4, 2018 19:32:29 GMT
I've been treated by Mr Kneebones wife, also a GP (and she was good) and my thoughts on being told whom I was seeing had the 'wtf are you being serious' thoughts but he is real. My old man repaired stuff, anything from shoes to household appliances but that was in simpler times when you could understand what you were dealing with. As a mechanic I repaired or removed parts for repair or adjusted parts as they were made to be adjustable and to last (shimming ect) but towards the end of my spell in that career mechanics were starting to become 'fitters' and someone else supplied replacement parts. All my mates who had cars and bikes did their own repairs at home. My O/H made her own clothes and wove on a loom to make cloth. Most things were repairable in the 50s/60s/70s but then business cottoned on to 'throwaway'. Morlocks and Eloi come to mind today. We no longer make stuff but have evolved to depend on more 'primitive' (hard to find the exact word without sounding derogatory which it's not meant to be) 'lower paid' races to supply 'stuff' for next to nothing. Lifes got too complicated. My lad is a computer buff, it's his job repair and maintain systems and he knows systems inside out but ask him to change the plugs on his car or repair a toaster and he'd be lost. As said, too complicated, you can't repair most things and there's more to go wrong. Mrs kneebone has me in stitches |
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Post by pyke13 on Dec 4, 2018 19:33:36 GMT
I guess up to a point they help with hand eye coordination but only in a 2 dimensional sense of things. How many dimensions are there?I am sure I only inhabit 1. How do you know, they all look so he same to me and I've checked out over half them |
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Post by cornishharry on Dec 4, 2018 20:02:38 GMT
had one of those all singing dancing cars once, took me an hour to find the battery, alarms for this sensors for that,the dash lit up like a fooking xmas tree so sold it after a week and bought an old tranny pickup as a blatt motor
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