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Post by VanWoman84 on Jan 12, 2021 23:15:26 GMT
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Post by NomadCris on Jan 13, 2021 4:48:23 GMT
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Post by NomadCris on Jan 13, 2021 4:50:58 GMT
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Post by NomadCris on Jan 13, 2021 5:14:10 GMT
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Post by Wast on Jan 13, 2021 11:51:29 GMT
Much as I'd love to see Trump get his comeuppance I just can't see it happening.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Jan 13, 2021 13:44:07 GMT
I think it will, just the full effect won't happen until his term is finished. It's all about stopping Trump running again.
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Post by NomadCris on Jan 14, 2021 17:39:13 GMT
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Post by bungo@mabungo on Jan 14, 2021 21:25:27 GMT
You would want to be nuts to try and come to top Euro covo venue!
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Post by fenrisulfr on Jan 14, 2021 21:38:25 GMT
At the risk of sounding jingoistic it's a wake up call and maybe a blessing in disguise. As a kid everything was seasonal with foreign luxuries just being an expensive treat but back then foodmiles meant naught but now it's a global concern. We have enough agricultural capacity to feed our nation on a seasonal basis without the 'luxuries' yet we don't do it and just what kind of fckwit wants to eat salad in winter or for instance can justify aspargus from Peru at any time. If this 'shortage' can give a leg-up to local entrenapeurs (scuse spelling) for home grown then bring it on.
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Post by bigbear67 on Jan 14, 2021 22:00:01 GMT
Damn right! Time to stop all this " anything anytime" bollocks, & start to look after our own growers. Nothing is a special treat anymore, & half the time its a piss poor imitation of the real deal. Strawberries from Spain in winter?, fuck me, they don't taste of anything. Proper produce, from our own soil, when its in season is the way forward IMHO....
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Post by NomadCris on Jan 14, 2021 23:00:19 GMT
Growing our own fruit and veg wont gaurantee better tasting produce. Those Spanish growers producing salad throughout the year in giant polytunnel farms are doing so for and at the request of British supermarkets. There are a few British growers producing tasty produce most of the year but theyre at a premium and primarily organic for niche in the market. The reason we get rubbish quality in supermarkets is because they want to push tight profit margins on massive volumes frim massive producers paying naff wages to eastern Europeans, theyre not interested that much on taste or quality we were used to from decades ago.
If British people want good tasting food they need stop buying tasteless cheap garbage on offer in stores.
Hopefully more British farmers will break from the grain monoculture in the UK and instead grow a wide variety of veg and fruit for local or regional markets like used to happen decades ago.
But end of the day its down to British consumers buying good produce grown here and not just buying the cheap bland offerings in supermarkets.
British consumers have been groomed into buying a very limited variety of fruit and veg. For instance there are hundreds of varieties of organic tomatoes available across Europe in stores but here youre lucky to get 6 different types and varieties of tomato.The same applies to most fruit and veg. You get what you pay for. If stores don't sell what you want dont compromise and buy the bland stuff on sale in stores,buy from farm shops and independents. Supermarkets can be made to cater for tastes but they wont do it voluntarily.
If Brits want British then they going to have to put their money where their mouth is and buy British and buy quality ...they cant blame the EU anymore,the buck stops here and with every Brit consumer.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Jan 14, 2021 23:01:09 GMT
Damn right! Time to stop all this " anything anytime" bollocks, & start to look after our own growers. Nothing is a special treat anymore, & half the time its a piss poor imitation of the real deal. Strawberries from Spain in winter?, fuck me, they don't taste of anything. Proper produce, from our own soil, when its in season is the way forward IMHO.... This country is cold wet and damp and stuff grows slower. Just how often do you hear that our produce tastes so much better as it's slow-grown. What we produce matches anything produced anywhere in the world for quality and in many cases it's better despite not fitting an EU so called standard. I've had scabby apples from a small Herefordshire orchard which have knocked spots off imported shite and some turd calling foreign cider cidre is just a farce. We can produce food just as good if not better in every way and I'm proud of what we make and grow. We as a Nation can compete with any country on produce and in many ways can do it better but many here just don't get the chance to realise that and miss out due to cheap imports.
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Post by bernie on Jan 15, 2021 9:48:45 GMT
Shops like Lidl do mostly UK sourced vegetables and make it a selling point.
Many of the salad producers in Cornwall were bankrupted by the EU agricultural policy. You don't qualify for subsidies if you are under a certain size, I think its about 13 acres. Thats bigger than virtually any of the Cornish producers so they couldn't compete and went to the wall
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Post by fenrisulfr on Jan 15, 2021 10:58:46 GMT
Shops like Lidl do mostly UK sourced vegetables and make it a selling point. Many of the salad producers in Cornwall were bankrupted by the EU agricultural policy. You don't qualify for subsidies if you are under a certain size, I think its about 13 acres. Thats bigger than virtually any of the Cornish producers so they couldn't compete and went to the wall At least we're now not paying into the EU corrupt subsidies scheme. Across Europe the money is given every year and and many millions gets pocketed by everyone but whom it was meant to go to.
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Post by NomadCris on Jan 15, 2021 13:33:48 GMT
Shops like Lidl do mostly UK sourced vegetables and make it a selling point. Many of the salad producers in Cornwall were bankrupted by the EU agricultural policy. You don't qualify for subsidies if you are under a certain size, I think its about 13 acres. Thats bigger than virtually any of the Cornish producers so they couldn't compete and went to the wall CAP and farm subsidies have been a total disaster for most small scale farmers and only the very large agri businesses profiteered because subsidies were aimed solely at the biggest and most efficient through economies of scale. Smaller and family farms have been hung out to dry especially when payments were changed to land area not livestock numbers. Farm subsidies have just become another form of corporate subsidy and should be phased out and scrapped, but no doubt the massive land owning farm businesses will plead poverty,the government will cave in and so i cant see small family farmers being any better off until theres a level playing field not skewed totally to the big boys. As for food sourcing it would help consumers a lot if pack labelling was more honest.The tractor label isnt enough,its a farce. If people can see produce of country or county very prominently on the pack or shelf they can make better choices like it used to years ago,you knew exactly what one of dozens of varieties of veg or fruit you were buying and what county it came from,only exotics came from abroad. Most packaging now has production origin hidden away in miniscule letters on the corner or rear because supermarkets on the whole dont want you knowing theyve bought veg from China or Kenya or cheap chicken from Thailand. Weve technology on our side now that we never had 50 years ago, people are growing fresh salad stuff in converted warehouses in London,weve got polytunnels heated by biogas and ground pump heating. Weather and climate isnt an excuse,except to maintain the status quo for the existing profiteering food industry big operators.
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