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Post by lonewolf on Sept 16, 2020 9:56:51 GMT
a lot of things need to change but if we leave it to the politicians and big business nothing will ever change.
too much money and power in too few hands. if nothing is done then the human race will have a limited time scale, humans are messing up the planet but most are too stupid to see it or dont care.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 16, 2020 9:59:45 GMT
Thats why i posted that article here not in the news thread because its relevant to the extinction topic.It refelects the standard mindset of most people, its perfectly ok to keep polluting the environment. Its 'only' a bonfire- a charity one at that- but its stilla small contribution to the manmade air pollution thats contributing to climate change.
Millions of people burn stuff every day, so many in the Amazon you can track the smoke by satellite right around the globe.
But because smoke doesnt stay where its being created,if drifts off elsewhere over someone elses land,people think its ok to keep doing it.
People complain about woodburners being banned but so many people are using them in urban areas its creating a serious air quality issue as bad as before smokeless zones became law.
People burn rubbish in skips because its cheaper than paying to dispose of it properly but it all goes somewhere and we end up breathing the shit someones burned and smoke particles contribute to cloud formation and rainfall, changing weather and climate patterns.
Like shitting in the global goldfish bowl,it cant go on.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 16, 2020 10:39:26 GMT
Theres a general disconnect in people's logic about climate change and polluting the environment.
People will happily slag off Brazilian ranchers and subsistence farmers for burning down the Amazon, then go out and burn all their garden rubbish all day long.
Moan about farmers and that their farm animals fart millions of tons of methane gas into the atmosphere (a known climate change pollutant) the trip off to the shop and buy their steaks and chicken portions and Bacon....like non of this methane polltion is any of their doing.
Moan about air quality affecting their kids health then get into the 4x4 with the kids fir the 2 mile school run...like their car is not part of the air quality problem.
Cause and effect, whatever any if us do in our lives has an effect,either on ourselves directly or contributes to the wuder effect on others and ourselves.
We dont live in a protective bubble safe from environmental pollution and climate change and violent weather that comes from climate change. But we do collectively live in a denial of logic bubble,that nothing we do ourselves is any of our fault or responsibility, its always someone elses fault or problem.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 16, 2020 10:43:08 GMT
People don't burn stuff in skips. They tip it onto the ground, then burn the unknown contents. The result doesn't just go up, it goes into the soil, then to the water course, it can literally end up miles away. Plastics release carsonagens when burnt, wood itself releases carbon. In a legal waste disposal setting, wood carries an environmental 'compensation' charge. I wonder if this charity has had this levy handed to them?
Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing the charity itself, good luck to them. It's just the burning of the boat.
If this was a publicity stunt for a ferry company, would it be more damaging to the environment, or less because they would no doubt pay to burn the model?
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 16, 2020 11:00:15 GMT
People do burn stuff in skips, they do it here, plenty of other places if they can
get away with it and reduce the volume of crap going to waste handlers and paying by volume.
People burn tyres at night because no one eill take them off their hands.Some farmers burn farm waste and plastic because its cheaper than paying to have it taken away.
Wood not only releases carbon but all the chemicals its been treated with. Sime oallets are treated with insecticide which when burned releases toxic carcinogens.The spraying of pallets is banned in Europe but still goes on in China and Far East and those pallets come here. Furniture gets burned thats treated with paint and preservatives.
People burn waste oil with all the toxic crsp thats accumulated in that released into the atmosphere.
The environmental compensation charges and trade in pollutant limits are just bullshit.
Big polluters need to take responsibility and make more effort to control the shit they release,not buy up the limits of lesser polluters.
The technology is available to clean up everything,they just dont want to spend money dealing with their mess.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 16, 2020 11:09:25 GMT
Indeed they are bullshit. Perhaps I should have said legitimate skip operators don't allow the burning of rubbish in skips. Of course, it doesn't mean it never happens. On the whole the legal operators don't allow it because it damages the skip, ie their capital property, no other reason.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 16, 2020 11:15:25 GMT
Not so long ago i used to work on and deliver to new build estates and it was normal practice to burn all the excess wood,roofing felt and membrane,plastic pipe, electrical wire and fittings and all the plastic and card packaging. Theyve probably cracked down on that on big company estates but ive seen it go on at individual house builds where there's no one enforcing the regulations.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 16, 2020 11:23:12 GMT
This is true, in reality there's very little that can be done to those that burn rubbish, their own or other people's.
I doubt it's true, but the council say that they have to see somebody actually put a match to the rubbish to hold them responsible. As if they would set a fire with council bods present.
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Post by offgrid hero on Sept 16, 2020 11:29:11 GMT
The council's send our carefully sorted recycling abroad where it is set on fire.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 16, 2020 11:33:03 GMT
The US army has been burning all of their toxic and human waste on foreign operation sites for years,thousands of service personnel have or,are claiming compensation for exposure. Just search Burn Pits.
Someone has to put a match to a fire but someone has to sanction it or is responsible for it. You can either fine the person or the occupier of the land its on.
Its just laziness on the part of the council.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 16, 2020 11:38:53 GMT
Agreed NomadCris. Here there's only one way onto the land. A truck comes in with a full skip. It leaves again with an empty one. It doesn't take a genius to work out where it went. It wasn't beamed up to the mother ship. |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 16, 2020 11:40:14 GMT
The council's send our carefully sorted recycling abroad where it is set on fire. I have to say that's always at the back of my mind when I put the plastic bottles into the recycling bank. You do what you can though. |
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 16, 2020 11:56:38 GMT
its okay for households to do their little bit towards recycling but the big polluters are large commercial places and most of that goes to landfill or is burnt or shipped thousands of miles away to a 3rd world country.
I dont know why everything we buy has to be covered in plastic.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 16, 2020 11:58:45 GMT
Same with the old computers shipped there. Creating a huge pile of plastic casing and toxic pools of chemicals used to recover the heavy metals like gold platinum mercury silver and copper from circuit boards.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 16, 2020 12:00:33 GMT
Virtually nothing came in plastic till the 70's,it was all carboard or paper. Now everything is packed or wrapped in it.
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