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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 14, 2020 18:01:55 GMT
Be nice to have a plot of land to live on simply, live in a caravan, grow stuff and help nature, so why won’t they let us 🤬 I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the council can do nothing. In my case, neither can the landowner. Nine years and counting... |
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 15, 2020 6:54:24 GMT
its all to do with money, living a simple life like that we wouldnt be putting much back into the system and if everyone lived like that the whole consumer system would collapse.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 15, 2020 7:39:33 GMT
There will always be consuming and trade,thats how civilisations work they wont collapse if people lived more simply and only bought what they really need,but the whole current system is based on greed and insatiable desire to profiteer and to consume,even stuff most people don't really need,its just a throwaway economy.
The system just wants you to keep spending money because a small minority get stinking rich from it,the going without or giving up things is alien to most people until it becomes too expensive.
Most of the current western generations have never struggled,never had to make do so they've little sense of value of anything.
Youre not going to change that mindset overnight.
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 15, 2020 7:49:44 GMT
people have to throw things away and buy new or the consumer system would collapse, I know not everybody could or would want to live a simpler life, but its what we had in the 50s and 60s, we couldnt afford to buy new we didnt have the incomes, my first wage was £5 per week, after tax and NI I brought home £3 10 shillings.
todays world has gone crazy, its all rampant over consumption, that wont last cant last there is only one planet earth.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 15, 2020 8:02:16 GMT
But things were repairable then,we repaired and reused things ocer and over until they were scrap. manufacturers deliberately make things disposable and irreparable made society lazy and greedy.You cant repair sell or give things away in case theyre dangerous,youre not allowed to do lots of maintenance work on your homes unless youre a qualified XY or Z
Yes it is crazy and we're all paying for it.
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Post by fenrisulfr on Sept 15, 2020 8:57:58 GMT
Up until the 80s we used to make things with the intentions of them lasting more than 5 minutes. Everything was repairable and there were thousands of 'tiny businesses' carrying out those repairs. Clothes were better quality and lasted longer too but since we started looking East to the twats there for cheaper and cheaper stuff, India etc for cheaper and cheaper clothes and so on our tiny repairers have all but gone as the shite is . The few left specialise.
Bottom line, folks happily buy shite in the knowledge that they can easily replace it and are stupid enough not to see the bigger picture. If they bought 'quality' it would cheaper and greener in the long run but businesses don't want that whilst they are able to exploit cheap labour and make more sales.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 15, 2020 10:51:24 GMT
If people didn't incessantly buy new where would I get all my stuff from?
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Post by givingitsomethought on Sept 15, 2020 10:57:40 GMT
If people didn't incessantly buy new where would I get all my stuff from? Ha ha, that's just it, we have to think of Vannie! I do pretty well with hand me downs and second hand stuff as well (although I don't have Vannie's talent for finding free stuff). I've furnished at least two houses from scratch with things people have given away. I think it's choices, isn't it, and if more people could live cheaper (ie, in a van or caravan rather than paying rent) they'd have more money to spend in the local economy and/or more time either to enjoy themselves (better for your health if you're happy and less stressed) or do voluntary work, go back to college, take up a new hobby or whatever. With the housing situation the way it is it makes no sense to me not to be able to let someone live in your garden or on your drive if you're happy with it and they are as well. I just think a huge number of people now work really hard in jobs they don't particularly like and all they earn is enough to pay the bills and not much more. And then of course you feel like you want a treat to compensate yourself for working all week and so you order a takeaway or buy yourself a new top and so it continues. It is all pretty mad. |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 15, 2020 12:05:10 GMT
givingitsomethought that's so true. It's a form of wage slavery. People work, they pay bills and have nothing left. What's the point?
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 15, 2020 12:12:44 GMT
I think a lot of people need to get their priorities right, you say they have nothing left but I bet they've got a widescreen tv the size of my lounge wall, the latest mobile phone, 3 foreign holidays a year, yet no extra food in the cupboard.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 15, 2020 12:30:29 GMT
I kind of agree with you lonewolf, but if somebody had a giant TV before they became unemployed, you wouldn't expect them to throw it away if they become unemployed. If they are going without food to get it, then that's the wrong priorities, agreed. |
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Post by patchypete on Sept 15, 2020 12:42:02 GMT
If people didn't incessantly buy new where would I get all my stuff from? My laundry bag .......? |
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 15, 2020 12:43:58 GMT
it does surprise me that we see a lot of, people who become unemployed and immediately they have no food, its straight down the food bank, now someone correct me but I thought food banks gave out 3 days food at a time and the limit was 3 times, now 9 days food isnt going to do much more than keep the wolf from the door, unless they have changed the rules that is.
I was unemployed for a long long time, due to an ongoing health problem at the time, but I never ran out of food and there were no food banks back then.
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Post by patchypete on Sept 15, 2020 12:45:45 GMT
If people didn't incessantly buy new where would I get all my stuff from? Ha ha, that's just it, we have to think of Vannie! I do pretty well with hand me downs and second hand stuff as well (although I don't have Vannie's talent for finding free stuff). I've furnished at least two houses from scratch with things people have given away. I think it's choices, isn't it, and if more people could live cheaper (ie, in a van or caravan rather than paying rent) they'd have more money to spend in the local economy and/or more time either to enjoy themselves (better for your health if you're happy and less stressed) or do voluntary work, go back to college, take up a new hobby or whatever. With the housing situation the way it is it makes no sense to me not to be able to let someone live in your garden or on your drive if you're happy with it and they are as well. I just think a huge number of people now work really hard in jobs they don't particularly like and all they earn is enough to pay the bills and not much more. And then of course you feel like you want a treat to compensate yourself for working all week and so you order a takeaway or buy yourself a new top and so it continues. It is all pretty mad. Good idea about the driveways, it could work if people weren’t scared to death of van dwellers, for instance free park up, yet they get there garden sorted or any other odd jobs done, then before the neighbours complain, you move on |
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 15, 2020 14:54:02 GMT
Accepted this might be for charity but i just think this is another example of what a warped view we have of the world and cavalier attitude to resources and pollution of it. Celebrate a 400 yr anniversary by burning a shit load of valuable timber and pouring smoke and ash into the atmosphere. Bravo! www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-devon-49144207How bout donating to charity to not burn it and use it as a childrens play attraction..? No more bizarre than torching it |
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