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Post by lonewolf on Sept 14, 2020 8:08:23 GMT
Anyone see this last night?
I dont think the human race has very long, one or two generations maybe( a generation is classed as 30 years),
once some of the smaller animals and insects go extinct so do we.
of all the animal species that have lived on Planet Earth 90% are now extinct.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 14, 2020 10:33:04 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mn4nI didn't see it, and I'm not likely to as you need a TV license to use iplayer now. I don't have a TV, let alone a license. There are a few clips that you can watch though.
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 14, 2020 10:50:04 GMT
its on youtube if anyone wants to watch it.
somehow I'm not expecting anything to change, most people dont give a damn.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 14, 2020 11:10:12 GMT
Thanks lonewolf. I will have a look at youtube when I am on the tablet next. Youtube walks over everything. On my phone. The only way to turn it off is to literally close the browser. |
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Post by offgrid hero on Sept 14, 2020 11:15:23 GMT
I saw it advertised but wasn't in the mood for a depressing education,what annoys me is farmers just don't seem to care/understand that modern farming practices need to change fast.
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Post by VanWoman84 on Sept 14, 2020 11:48:04 GMT
That's a very good point offgrid hero. It's not only farming though. On a very basic level, during lockdown there was a return of the insects. It just goes to show how staying in made a change for the better for the environment. |
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 14, 2020 11:49:15 GMT
modern agribusinesses and their mono cropping is partly at fault but its also over population and rampant over consumption of everything, its the me,me.me culture.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 14, 2020 12:03:10 GMT
Extinction events are part of the normal cycle of the Earth,the last one 13000 years ago and it will recover and other species replace those that went extinct.
The difference is this event will likely be manmade and make man extinct...for an intelligent species we are not very bright.
We still think we can go on rabidly consuming to feed our modern lifestyles like has happened for last 100 years and nothing will interfere with that.
Its not sustainable though,the sooner we learn that the better or the devastating wild fires and violent destructive weather we have that threatens lives and destroys our food production ststems will be a normal everyday way of life regardless where you live.
We live in a goldfish bowl and we keep shitting in it and we cant change the water so if we continue to poison it there will be consequences. Everyone needs to recognise that,not just farmers.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 14, 2020 12:46:45 GMT
Political will is also holding back the change that might make a difference.
No government wants to be the one that says you cant have your gas guzzling luxury car or two homes or ten televisions and you must start using a bike or walk if youre able.
Youve got countries with progressive ideas on housing and eliminating need for a car and being minimalist about consuming and organic food production and recycling like Netherlands and Scandinavian countries. Then youve got the knuckle draggers like the US and Brazil UK China who just think the environment is there to rape and make money from and dump your toxic shit in.
Attitudes need to change now and changes in policy too now not in 2030 or 2040.
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 14, 2020 13:09:31 GMT
thats pretty much what the program said.
the USA is one of the worst-no surprise there, the large cattle ranches of South America with the decimation of the rain forest for grazing land , but Palm Oil plantations are probably the worst as they trap animals into small wild life pockets which get smaller and smaller.
the ever expanding human population encroaching on wildlife habitat is having a detrimental effect on the wildlife, Northern White Rhino population is now 2, yes thats right 2 TWO, mother and daughter, when they die the NW Rhino will be extinct, and its not just the big animals, its the little ones too, the insects.
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Post by NomadCris on Sept 14, 2020 15:27:06 GMT
Theres mainly two things that change peoples behaviour,one is their ethical viewpoint,the other is economics.Some people will change there consumption habits because they believe it right for the planet. The majority will only change because of economic pressure. When its too expensive to run uneconomical cars or keep on paying out gas and electric bills when they can look at reducing those costs by installing solar power and solar heating or other eco solutions to reduce what theyre paying out for energy.
When manmade fibre from petrochemicals that make up clothing and thousands of other products become too expensive over organic natural products.
Of course manufacturers arent going to stop making cheap products from unsustainable sources while they can still carry on doing it and we still buy them so it comes down to political will to push change in manufacturing and push change in peoples attitudes to consuming and how they consume.
Like it or not people only generally respond when the things they use become to expensive to use so pricing people out of using gas guzzling and polluting vehicles is one essential but measures also have to be structured in such a way that not just the rich can afford to run them and that they pay way over the odds for owning and running them.
Same goes for many other non essential things like business flights to meetings when video conferencing is easily available to anyone. Foreign holidays by air and sea that burn billions of tons of fuel and contribute to visible global pollution.
So many things weve taken for granted for decades need to be scrutinised and modified or eliminated.
If we don't accept our modern consumer lifestyle is rediculous destructive and unsustainable our future and that of other species of the planet is finite.
Not a future i want my young kids to inherit.
While Covid has caused a pause and made people reflect on their lifestyle and may have encouraged them to explore new ways to live,theres also a danger that because of the damage to global economies many governments will use that as an excuse,that we cant afford to be environmentally sustainable right now and then yet more damage will be done to the planet.
We have an opportunity forced on us to rethink our future and we should take advantage of it.
Its ok for the likes of Trump and Bolsonaro and Johnson to tear up environmental protections so they and their mates can make shitloads of money but theyll all be dead and gone when the surviving generations are dealing with the catastrophe theyve left behind.
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Post by bigbear67 on Sept 14, 2020 16:01:22 GMT
And that's the main problem IMO. The bastards who are causing the damage just for self gain will be long gone when it all goes bang. If they thought they were gonna suffer personally maybe they'd think about stopping the damage....
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Post by patchypete on Sept 14, 2020 16:55:15 GMT
The last couple or years, one of the production fields has been set aside, seeded with clover, yellow rattle, poppies, grasses etc. The amount of insects and butterflies was fantastic this year. One of the tractor drivers said the same, he’d never seen so many. It didn’t take long for nature to recover in this instance, next year they ploughing it all up again, that’s that fucked then ☹️
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Post by patchypete on Sept 14, 2020 16:56:40 GMT
Be nice to have a plot of land to live on simply, live in a caravan, grow stuff and help nature, so why won’t they let us 🤬
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Post by givingitsomethought on Sept 14, 2020 17:36:56 GMT
Be nice to have a plot of land to live on simply, live in a caravan, grow stuff and help nature, so why won’t they let us 🤬 They probably can't make enough money out of you if you live like that. It seems sensible to me to let people live on a bit of land. I know there's always arguments about rubbish, waste, too many vans in a field and so on but I'm guessing there are ways to iron all those sort of things out and just leave people to get on with it. Given how crap I am at growing veg I'd probably still need to live near a shop but I did leave all the wild flowers/weeds that came up in the garden for the bees and butterflies so I can do that bit  |
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