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Post by givingitsomethought on May 14, 2020 11:11:14 GMT
That's grim, my friend's husband works for a power company and they were out setting up the power for a temporary morgue; his mum died in Feb (not Covid) and they've only had the funeral this week because everything's so delayed. It's unbearable thinking of someone you love lying in a box waiting for their turn at a funeral, so awful.
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Post by NomadCris on May 14, 2020 11:21:14 GMT
BBC Around the world they are looking to reopen schools - IMO, NOT a good idea just yet. Its a well known and accepted fact that schools are a big transmission vector for viruses and contagious illness/ parasites. Its rediculous of government advisors to now say opening schools poses no significant risk. With the discovery of this multiple organ failure syndrome that can affect a minority of kids i would not think it at all prudent to reopen schools for any age group. Hopefully teachers and union will stop this going further.
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Post by NomadCris on May 14, 2020 11:28:17 GMT
That's grim, my friend's husband works for a power company and they were out setting up the power for a temporary morgue; his mum died in Feb (not Covid) and they've only had the funeral this week because everything's so delayed. It's unbearable thinking of someone you love lying in a box waiting for their turn at a funeral, so awful. Yes,bad enough losing family members but when the whole grieving and funeral process is turned on its head its worse and mentally damaging long term. I think theres going to be a huge increase in mental illness issues in future years because of this.
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Post by valdez on May 14, 2020 19:27:43 GMT
been to hospital today in car looked like traffic nearly back to normal Hope it was nothing serious and that you're okay, Valdez x i took wifey she chipped a bone in her arm but all good gist thank you
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Post by bernie on May 14, 2020 21:48:24 GMT
Its not about the Government doing this its about the medical profession (in particular GPs ) being lazy and easing the workload. British law requires that anybody who dies that hasn't been seen and treated by a doctor in the previous 14 days has to be referred to the coroner. The coroner will then order a post mortem will to establish the cause of death because it is classed as unknown. However, because GPs are not going into care homes, or making house calls and seeing as few patients as possible in their surgery this would mean practically every death that wasn't in hospital or in an accident would be requiring a post mortem and the system could not cope with that. So since the Covid powers act came in, deaths attributed to covid do not require a post mortem and the bodies can be released straight to the undertaker for burial without any need to take them to the mortuary. Its a bit low to say the medical profession /GPs are being lazy not attending patients or going into care homes or are just writing people off as having Covid. The Coronavirus virus emergency regulations -that you've already referred to - passed in March, specifically changed the normal operational procedures of GP surgeries,attendance of patients and the normal requirements for PMs and coroners inquests as it was anticipated the system would be overwhelmed with bodies-as happened in China,Spain and Italy- and priority was with immediate body disposal in mass graves if necessary. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-local-death-management?Youre just being lazy political gaslighting about a situation non of us have any actual facts about except whats officially released. No one really knows at this point in time what is actually killing people outside of hospital whether its covid or their existing underlying health issues or sudden acute onset medical emergency or if the two may have been related. Its speculation,nothing more, but its fair to assume the number of cases of covid is far higher and its already known from.ONS statistics thstthe national death rate regardless of whats on the certificate is well above what its historically been for this time of year by many thousands so also fair to assume those extra thousands of deaths per week are covid related. Dont you think the medical profession and health service have enough to cope with dealing with 10's of thousands of cases a week without people like you sticking knives in their back calling them lazy.Theyre actually the only people who stand between you and everyone of us and a rubber bag/wooden box and seem to be working their arses off at great risk to themselves in the process. Well you can say that but I am a carer for my mother and my partner is a carer for both her parents. We are both members of Carers Uk and are both on the carers website forum which we have both found very very useful. The views on that forum are the polar opposite of your views. GPs refusing to visit sick patients. People dying without basic sedation or oxygen. Private RESIDENTIAL care homes are NOT medical facilities, they exist and are licenced for assisted living and no more. Suddenly they are having terminal covid patients sent to them with the threat of withdrawl of funding for existing (non covid) patients if they refuse. Not the government, not the NHS in general but some local consultants have been using care homes as dumping ground and that has seeded the infection into hundreds of care homes. This is not going to go away, it is being documented and recorded. One day it will all be out in the open. Care home managers are being encouraged to keep diaries and copious notes One day the NHS's involvement in spreading the virus into care homes will be in the public domain and it won't be comfortable reading
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Post by fenrisulfr on May 15, 2020 7:39:19 GMT
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Post by givingitsomethought on May 16, 2020 11:38:25 GMT
Can anyone explain the R number thing to me because I don't understand how it works? I was reading an article about it which said R 1 means a person with the virus is likely to infect one other person. So it said a number below 1 is where you want to be if you're getting on top of it and heading toward zero is better. It said being just slightly above 1 would mean it likely the hospitals would be overwhelmed so staying below 1 is the aim.
So I get that one person having it means they infect one person but I don't get how the number goes up and down? Does it mean people are more or less infectious at different times? Or is it more to do with how many people they are coming into contact with? Or some people are less likely to pick it up for some reason? Does anyone else understand how it works?
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Post by cricket on May 16, 2020 13:33:52 GMT
The use of stats is unreliable.They are just talking about infection numbers.The more scientific they sound the safer we feel.Ever read a book The Emperors Clothes?The lower the infection rates the less likely you are to get infected ,so the more they can allow people out.Boris is using peoples deaths to be the guide where he justifies getting money rolling into the economy again is how I see it.The more that die the tighter restrictors have to be.However NO ONE KNOWS WHO IS INFECTED OR WHERE THEY ARE.There is also no vaccine.Tests are not every person,nor is it clear if they pick up carriers.
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Post by cricket on May 18, 2020 11:15:56 GMT
www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/29/millions-of-farm-animals-culled-as-us-food-supply-chain-chokes-up-coronavirus This is being played as though the animals have been culled to stop a build up in the meat production chain as workers at slaughterhouses were heavily infected with Covid.HOWEVER ,the article i saw 2 days ago said pork was infected with Covid and that was why it was destroyed.As pigs did have reported respiratory Sars/Coronavirus issues in China as a report in 2005 was documented.I believe a pr spin may be in place to stop mass panic and collapse of the farming industry in USA and I have no doubt they will spin it here too if its true.The original article was removed from online access.Anyone here know the truth?
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Post by givingitsomethought on May 20, 2020 17:15:47 GMT
I'm trying to get my head around it all now, albeit in small doses. I saw the death rate is dropping which is obviously a good thing. With them relaxing the lockdown, would it be another week or so before you'd see hospital admissions go up again, assuming more people have become infected? I read five to six days to start showing symptoms and then anything from a few days on from that to needing hospital (if it gets that serious). So it would be another week to two weeks from now before you start seeing whether the numbers are going up again?
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Post by givingitsomethought on May 20, 2020 17:21:04 GMT
I thought I'd post this positive story as well as there's so much awfulness about at the moment - a friend of mine hasn't been able to see her mum since all of this started as she's in a care home - she has been able to go to the garden and wave up at her at her window. They had several reported cases and lost a couple but they locked down before they were told to, some staff moved in so that they reduced the risk of carrying the infection in or out, they've been testing, all had PPE and as of this week they've not had another positive test so it's looking like they avoided a huge infection rate. The people that usually come in to do their activities for them have been doing them online and they've set up things like Bingo on Zoom so that they could all play together without leaving their rooms. They seem to have weathered it pretty well all things considered; it was nice to hear something positive and fingers crossed they all be okay now.
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Post by wanderingwill on May 23, 2020 21:14:35 GMT
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Post by valdez on May 23, 2020 21:43:38 GMT
they made themselves look pretty stupid
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Post by NomadCris on May 23, 2020 22:00:54 GMT
Its a bit low to say the medical profession /GPs are being lazy not attending patients or going into care homes or are just writing people off as having Covid. The Coronavirus virus emergency regulations -that you've already referred to - passed in March, specifically changed the normal operational procedures of GP surgeries,attendance of patients and the normal requirements for PMs and coroners inquests as it was anticipated the system would be overwhelmed with bodies-as happened in China,Spain and Italy- and priority was with immediate body disposal in mass graves if necessary. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-local-death-management?Youre just being lazy political gaslighting about a situation non of us have any actual facts about except whats officially released. No one really knows at this point in time what is actually killing people outside of hospital whether its covid or their existing underlying health issues or sudden acute onset medical emergency or if the two may have been related. Its speculation,nothing more, but its fair to assume the number of cases of covid is far higher and its already known from.ONS statistics thstthe national death rate regardless of whats on the certificate is well above what its historically been for this time of year by many thousands so also fair to assume those extra thousands of deaths per week are covid related. Dont you think the medical profession and health service have enough to cope with dealing with 10's of thousands of cases a week without people like you sticking knives in their back calling them lazy.Theyre actually the only people who stand between you and everyone of us and a rubber bag/wooden box and seem to be working their arses off at great risk to themselves in the process. Well you can say that but I am a carer for my mother and my partner is a carer for both her parents. We are both members of Carers Uk and are both on the carers website forum which we have both found very very useful. The views on that forum are the polar opposite of your views. GPs refusing to visit sick patients. People dying without basic sedation or oxygen. Private RESIDENTIAL care homes are NOT medical facilities, they exist and are licenced for assisted living and no more. Suddenly they are having terminal covid patients sent to them with the threat of withdrawl of funding for existing (non covid) patients if they refuse. Not the government, not the NHS in general but some local consultants have been using care homes as dumping ground and that has seeded the infection into hundreds of care homes. This is not going to go away, it is being documented and recorded. One day it will all be out in the open. Care home managers are being encouraged to keep diaries and copious notes One day the NHS's involvement in spreading the virus into care homes will be in the public domain and it won't be comfortable reading Because of my medical background ive a number of friends who are GPs or Drs/ consultants in the nhs and theyre all run ragged and doing what they can for people,often working longer hours than safe or offering help/advice free. I think it depends on your standpoint and often politics on how you view professional conduct,if youve already a jaundiced view of the system or NHS or the notion of free health care youre always going to find fault with it. I worked in acute frontline primary care in the NHS for 25 years so im well aware of how it works,its strengths and its weaknesses,much of those brought about by Government interference and restructuring to enable privatisation of many of its functions to the benefit of shareholders and not patients. Like it or not we have one of the best health systems in the world and non of us has to pay up front for anything...try living in Africa or Asia and getting basic care, Ive been there,watched people dieing, youll be hard pushed to find anything that resembles care or medicines and people just accept theyll die if its anything serious. I admit its not perfect here and could be better but much of the NHS is dictated to by official bureaucrats who know little to nothing about medical ethics or patient care or even basic medicine run by Government mandarins whose only objective is budgetary compliance and weve had that to deal with since Thatcher brought private business consultants in to run the NHS, supposedly to free up Drs and Surgeons to look after patient care instead of running hospitals. Im my view thats where it all started to go seriously wrong...but we are stuck with it now because its all about running the services to a budget and 'value for money' and not about patient care. If you want to slag people off slag those off who brought about this system - Thatcherite Tories and Blair and his comparable PFI program building on Tory failures. Its quite obvious from BJs own admission that care homes and testing were both either not considered or given a back seat in priority which has resulted im a wipeout in care homes and rampant spread of the virus. The Government has handled the entire pandemic here in a criminally negligent manner and sending out mixed messages and contradictory information not to mention advising we all do one thing while pleasing themselves what they do..Cummings being just one more arrogant cunt who has defied the rules because he feels they dont apply to him. We are close to passing 40 k deaths on official figures (personally i believe we have already long ago) and likely to be 50k + deaths in this phase of the virus,i dont believe its simply going to fizzle out and then theres likely a new more deadly phase coming around the corner but the Government has prioritised the economy and business futures and to hell with a few thousand of the population snuffing it. I agree there should be a public enquiry and the truth -however uncomfortable - should come out,however i have my doubts it will because the Government have become pretty adept at obfuscation distraction and focusing blame on people other than themselves and the braindead electorate will suck it all up.
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Post by bigbear67 on May 26, 2020 13:15:53 GMT
chng.it/svBbJF8nJJHow can these people expect the common man to heed their advice when things like this are allowed to happen?....🤔
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