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Post by fenrisulfr on May 13, 2020 12:02:15 GMT
Ireland has got it right
From Aljazeera
One good spin off for us will be less infected twats coming here from abroad and trying the Irish route in. We should have the same in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 12:40:10 GMT
Or putting the cause of death as other existing medical condition....but i am being cynical. Actually there is a growing number of people who are saying their relative didn't die with covid, particularly in care homes but the doctor recorded the death as covid. So maybe the deaths are being over recorded? Who knows? I think the opposite is happening . Things look bad enough with out them over stating the death rate. I think they are keeping stuff quiet myself.
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Post by valdez on May 13, 2020 21:33:55 GMT
been to hospital today in car looked like traffic nearly back to normal
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Post by wanderingwill on May 13, 2020 21:37:16 GMT
been to hospital today in car looked like traffic nearly back to normal im not supprised we will be locked down again in 3 weeks i rekon
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Post by NomadCris on May 13, 2020 22:39:59 GMT
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Post by fenrisulfr on May 14, 2020 8:06:57 GMT
Several countries have reimposed lockdowns and IMO from the way the UK sheep are behaving we will be doing so as well. I don't know how the big towns are doing but I passed through two small towns yesterday where there are mini supermarkets and not a mask or scarf in site. Folks need to protect themselves more.
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Post by fenrisulfr on May 14, 2020 8:46:18 GMT
BBC Around the world they are looking to reopen schools - IMO, NOT a good idea just yet.
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Post by bernie on May 14, 2020 8:49:08 GMT
Actually there is a growing number of people who are saying their relative didn't die with covid, particularly in care homes but the doctor recorded the death as covid. So maybe the deaths are being over recorded? Who knows? I think the opposite is happening . Things look bad enough with out them over stating the death rate. I think they are keeping stuff quiet myself. Its not about the Government doing this its about the medical profession (in particular GPs ) being lazy and easing the workload. British law requires that anybody who dies that hasn't been seen and treated by a doctor in the previous 14 days has to be referred to the coroner. The coroner will then order a post mortem will to establish the cause of death because it is classed as unknown. However, because GPs are not going into care homes, or making house calls and seeing as few patients as possible in their surgery this would mean practically every death that wasn't in hospital or in an accident would be requiring a post mortem and the system could not cope with that. So since the Covid powers act came in, deaths attributed to covid do not require a post mortem and the bodies can be released straight to the undertaker for burial without any need to take them to the mortuary.
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Post by bigbear67 on May 14, 2020 9:08:17 GMT
Think this decision has been made out of panic for the loss of wealth, keep colleges etc closed cos its not really safe to go back, but reopen primary schools? Think its because college students can stay home alone so their parents can be forced back to work, but primary school kids need looking after, so put them back in school ,mummy/daddy can then go back to work!... They don't seem to care about the safety aspect, but in fairness they already proved to us that we don't matter really....
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Post by NomadCris on May 14, 2020 9:57:18 GMT
Several countries have reimposed lockdowns and IMO from the way the UK sheep are behaving we will be doing so as well. I don't know how the big towns are doing but I passed through two small towns yesterday where there are mini supermarkets and not a mask or scarf in site. Folks need to protect themselves more. Just read a report on twitter,the first woman admitted with coronavirus in LA treated cured and sent home has tested positive agsin and been readmitted. Which adds to what Chinese and Italian medics found,it can come back and can reinfect.
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Post by VanWoman84 on May 14, 2020 10:05:09 GMT
So no real point in easing the lockdown then?
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Post by NomadCris on May 14, 2020 10:19:29 GMT
I think the opposite is happening . Things look bad enough with out them over stating the death rate. I think they are keeping stuff quiet myself. Its not about the Government doing this its about the medical profession (in particular GPs ) being lazy and easing the workload. British law requires that anybody who dies that hasn't been seen and treated by a doctor in the previous 14 days has to be referred to the coroner. The coroner will then order a post mortem will to establish the cause of death because it is classed as unknown. However, because GPs are not going into care homes, or making house calls and seeing as few patients as possible in their surgery this would mean practically every death that wasn't in hospital or in an accident would be requiring a post mortem and the system could not cope with that. So since the Covid powers act came in, deaths attributed to covid do not require a post mortem and the bodies can be released straight to the undertaker for burial without any need to take them to the mortuary. Its a bit low to say the medical profession /GPs are being lazy not attending patients or going into care homes or are just writing people off as having Covid. The Coronavirus virus emergency regulations -that you've already referred to - passed in March, specifically changed the normal operational procedures of GP surgeries,attendance of patients and the normal requirements for PMs and coroners inquests as it was anticipated the system would be overwhelmed with bodies-as happened in China,Spain and Italy- and priority was with immediate body disposal in mass graves if necessary. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-local-death-management?Youre just being lazy political gaslighting about a situation non of us have any actual facts about except whats officially released. No one really knows at this point in time what is actually killing people outside of hospital whether its covid or their existing underlying health issues or sudden acute onset medical emergency or if the two may have been related. Its speculation,nothing more, but its fair to assume the number of cases of covid is far higher and its already known from.ONS statistics thstthe national death rate regardless of whats on the certificate is well above what its historically been for this time of year by many thousands so also fair to assume those extra thousands of deaths per week are covid related. Dont you think the medical profession and health service have enough to cope with dealing with 10's of thousands of cases a week without people like you sticking knives in their back calling them lazy.Theyre actually the only people who stand between you and everyone of us and a rubber bag/wooden box and seem to be working their arses off at great risk to themselves in the process.
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Post by givingitsomethought on May 14, 2020 10:25:53 GMT
been to hospital today in car looked like traffic nearly back to normal Hope it was nothing serious and that you're okay, Valdez x
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Post by givingitsomethought on May 14, 2020 10:32:19 GMT
been to hospital today in car looked like traffic nearly back to normal im not supprised we will be locked down again in 3 weeks i rekon I think you might be right, Will, along with a big spike in cases again. I've just been over to the farm shop to collect our veggies. You walk past a big supermarket and a garden centre to get there. I saw one person in a mask in the supermarket; none of the staff are wearing them and good knows how many people a day are walking past them at a check out. The garden centre was heaving, mostly with old people, not a mask in sight. The farm shop are doing a thing where you can collect at the door so I didn't have to spend time in there but when I was loading the veggies onto the wheelchair (I know I must have looked like a twat but I can't carry it all so I used my son's old wheelchair to lug it all home) some woman came and stood right next to me to reach over to something, older lady as well, I'm most surprised that the people considered to be most vulnerable aren't protecting themselves better? If I were fit and healthy I probably would be more blase about it, I expect, but it baffles me a bit when people in the higher risk groups aren't taking more care. I did read that they think they've got a test now to see if you've had it at any time - and to be honest if it was here last December then it could have been what I was ill with over Christmas, the symptoms were very similar - but if they still don't think there's immunity after you catch it then it probably doesn't help much to know you had it before. We're just staying in as much as we can; we're lucky that we're able to so I'm making the most of that. My hands look like they belong to one of those mummified corpses they dig up every now and again because they're so dry from all the washing lol xx
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Post by NomadCris on May 14, 2020 11:06:01 GMT
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