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Post by givingitsomethought on May 11, 2020 8:05:42 GMT
Chinese studies on 'cured' cases revealed the virus may reactivate, I posted the link within a few days ago. Also studies WHO? and others have shown theres no evidence of acquired immunity and that you can get the virus again if exposed. Ill have to search for the links. But,that would suggest the herd immunity theory is irrelevant. The only satisfactory answer is a vaccine or effective anti- viral drug therapy. On the latter,theyre already trialling antivirals www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/triple-anti-viral-drug-shows-covid-19-promise-hong-kong-study-200509082156229.htmlThanks Cris, don't worry about the links, I've been bookmarking the stuff I've read so I can dig it out again, it's just all information that's new to me so it takes my brain a while to process it all and link it all up, it was just people talking about the herd immunity plan again but if there is no herd immunity (because there's no evidence of acquired immunity) then the current message is "yes it's there - get on with it" with no actual plan in place at all? And an anti-viral is what they'd give you to treat the virus if you have it? I'm getting my brain around it slowly lol x
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Post by fenrisulfr on May 11, 2020 8:33:20 GMT
Recipe for disaster in the making. IMO it will prolong the spread of the virus especially as there's little dicipline in society now. The Chinese despite being liars finally got it right on serious lockdown and today show 17 new cases and zero deaths (most likely x10) whereas we had 4000 new cases yesterday if I remember right.
I think it applies to everyone who can not just the vunerable. You only live once and it does not dicriminate unless you're black then it hits even harder (Vit D deficiency according to some).
I still think that there's something that's not being said in respect of the high deathrate for certain countries compared to others .
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Post by NomadCris on May 11, 2020 11:15:41 GMT
Theres plenty of unknowns about covid19 and just because it mostly affects older people it doesnt mean everyone younger is safe.
Theres a report on Aljaz quoting the European Heart Journal that men may be more susceptible because of their naturally higher levels of Angiotensin receptor enzyme which the virus exploits to find its way to the lungs.
Theres been many warnings also floating around medical circles about a rare syndrome occurring in some children with covid19 thats potentially life threatening.
Its very unsafe to say return to normal, when the virus is still actively present in the population and theres so much still unknown about it,who is actually at risk,what its life cycle is or difinitively how it works as it appears to behave differently between sexes,ethnic groups and other variables.
It comes down to a choice between living with restrictions and financial hardship for a while or potentially losing a family member or two and whats most important to people out of that choice.
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Post by NomadCris on May 11, 2020 11:25:04 GMT
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Post by cricket on May 11, 2020 12:14:05 GMT
Covid has got into the Whitehouse inner sanctum.As soon as we heard that we crossed our fingers.
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Post by NomadCris on May 11, 2020 12:26:50 GMT
Chinese studies on 'cured' cases revealed the virus may reactivate, I posted the link within a few days ago. Also studies WHO? and others have shown theres no evidence of acquired immunity and that you can get the virus again if exposed. Ill have to search for the links. But,that would suggest the herd immunity theory is irrelevant. The only satisfactory answer is a vaccine or effective anti- viral drug therapy. On the latter,theyre already trialling antivirals www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/triple-anti-viral-drug-shows-covid-19-promise-hong-kong-study-200509082156229.htmlThanks Cris, don't worry about the links, I've been bookmarking the stuff I've read so I can dig it out again, it's just all information that's new to me so it takes my brain a while to process it all and link it all up, it was just people talking about the herd immunity plan again but if there is no herd immunity (because there's no evidence of acquired immunity) then the current message is "yes it's there - get on with it" with no actual plan in place at all? And an anti-viral is what they'd give you to treat the virus if you have it? I'm getting my brain around it slowly lol x Yes antiviral is a treatment if you have it, not a preventative in case youre exposed like a vaccine would be.
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Post by cricket on May 11, 2020 12:41:30 GMT
Im not clear how a vaccine could be effective against infection and presumably re infection, as actually catching it and recovering apparently gives no protection from catching it gain.How would a vaccine be made to counter reinfection .especially as virus mutate.
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Post by VanWoman84 on May 11, 2020 12:49:04 GMT
Im not clear how a vaccine could be effective against infection and presumably re infection, as actually catching it and recovering apparently gives no protection from catching it gain.How would a vaccine be made to counter reinfection .especially as virus mutate. I thought that too. Vaccines are usually a deactivated virus. If immunity isn't gained by having and recovering from the virus, how will a vaccine help?
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Post by offgrid hero on May 11, 2020 12:56:54 GMT
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Post by givingitsomethought on May 11, 2020 13:39:00 GMT
Im not clear how a vaccine could be effective against infection and presumably re infection, as actually catching it and recovering apparently gives no protection from catching it gain.How would a vaccine be made to counter reinfection .especially as virus mutate. Cris put in one of his other posts that they'd need to make something that stopped the virus attaching itself in the first place? Whereas I think most vaccines work by giving you a little bit so your own body gives you the protection? But I don't think they can do that with this one? I can't remember which thread it was on now x
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Post by NomadCris on May 11, 2020 14:52:49 GMT
Im not clear how a vaccine could be effective against infection and presumably re infection, as actually catching it and recovering apparently gives no protection from catching it gain.How would a vaccine be made to counter reinfection .especially as virus mutate. Vaccines are specific to each virus so will only be effective against the virus theyve harvested antibodies from and made a vaccine from. They train the body to recognise that virus identity and overwhelm it and destroy it before it gets going. They are only effective for limited period of time - months / years and would be effective if you got reinfected but if the virus mutates then a new vaccine has to be made. Flu vaccines have to be made for each strain just the same. You either have to design a vaccine from the virus antibodies and use it to teach the human body to recognise and attack it before its a problem,or you need to design an antiviral that intereferes with the way the virus attaches itself to cells,gets into cells or prevents it replicating itself. One of the links i posted earlier theyre trying a combination of antivirals normally used against HIV. Unless researchers get lucky it could be a yearor more before they find a totally effective vaccine or antiviral.
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Post by bernie on May 11, 2020 16:46:18 GMT
Covid has got into the Whitehouse inner sanctum.As soon as we heard that we crossed our fingers. We couldn't get that lucky
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Post by bernie on May 11, 2020 16:55:19 GMT
Im not clear how a vaccine could be effective against infection and presumably re infection, as actually catching it and recovering apparently gives no protection from catching it gain.How would a vaccine be made to counter reinfection .especially as virus mutate. Presumably we would need an annual top up like the flu jab, maybe even given as part of the flu jab.
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Post by NomadCris on May 11, 2020 21:56:14 GMT
Flu vaccine jab only protects against some common flu viruses. Theyre changed and modified twice a year. You probably would not have both flu and coronavirus vaccines together as it takes approx 2 weeks to build up antibodies to each virus and would normally be staged over a few weeks just as when you have pre travel innoculations if travelling to areas known to have certain endemic viral diseases. circulating.
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Post by bernie on May 12, 2020 8:16:41 GMT
Michael O'Leary (head of Ryan Air) said on breakfast TV this morning that most passengers are going to simply ignore the 14 day quarantine rule. I suspect he is right about that. He said it in the tone of voice that implied he really meant "and there is nothing you can do about it"
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