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Post by wanderingwill on Jan 23, 2020 3:56:35 GMT
i spend a lot of time looking at websites on climate change and find a few that make good reading. here is one of them i plan to share links to other sites as time goes on  .here is no1 |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Jan 23, 2020 10:55:13 GMT
It's not that I think that climate change doesn't exist.
I just think that
1 humans are not solely responsible, and can't solely reverse th process
2 governments find it's an absolute gift of an excuse to tax all kind of things.
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Post by bernie on Jan 23, 2020 14:29:57 GMT
That's a good article Will, what troubles me are the reports that Greta Thurnberg earns tens of millions a year from her massive social media and internet presence. That she has her own management company and PR team. Who handle her twitter feeds and write her scripts
Basically is the Kardashians all over again. Big business
Now, on that basis she is not going to be saying "everything is fine, no need to worry"
Chris Packham, who I don't have a lot of time for generally, did a good Horizon programme on BBc2 Horizon a couple of days ago about world population growth and that is getting a lot closer to the real truth. Its available on iplayer at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 16:32:25 GMT
That's a good article Will, what troubles me are the reports that Greta Thurnberg earns tens of millions a year from her massive social media and internet presence. That she has her own management company and PR team. Who handle her twitter feeds and write her scripts Basically is the Kardashians all over again. Big business Now, on that basis she is not going to be saying "everything is fine, no need to worry" Chris Packham, who I don't have a lot of time for generally, did a good Horizon programme on BBc2 Horizon a couple of days ago about world population growth and that is getting a lot closer to the real truth. Its available on iplayer at the moment. She is not the highest paid anything. That is a rumour started to discredit her. www.snopes.com/fact-check/thunberg-highest-paid-activist/ |
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Post by fenrisulfr on Jan 23, 2020 17:20:09 GMT
Nearly all of today's political leaders are moneygrubbing tossers of the first order and for a kid to stand out and stand up to speak the truth is really going to embarrass them big time, gets my vote. The main thing is that her generation is listening and slowly but surely so are the oldies. I don't give a flying fuck whether she is getting paid or not, what I do care about is that she is heard. We need more voices like hers as this planet is on a oneway trip to hell in a greed-driven handcart which needs stopping before it gets to the point of no return.
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Post by itinerantchild on Jan 23, 2020 17:25:04 GMT
Full video is available on piratebay (apparently) :-)
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Post by bernie on Jan 23, 2020 17:36:05 GMT
That's a good article Will, what troubles me are the reports that Greta Thurnberg earns tens of millions a year from her massive social media and internet presence. That she has her own management company and PR team. Who handle her twitter feeds and write her scripts Basically is the Kardashians all over again. Big business Now, on that basis she is not going to be saying "everything is fine, no need to worry" Chris Packham, who I don't have a lot of time for generally, did a good Horizon programme on BBc2 Horizon a couple of days ago about world population growth and that is getting a lot closer to the real truth. Its available on iplayer at the moment. She is not the highest paid anything. That is a rumour started to discredit her. www.snopes.com/fact-check/thunberg-highest-paid-activist/She is a brand though, there has been speculation about how she is being marketed for a long time. Motivated by the greed of her parents I suspect but she is not the first. The Climategate Scandal a few years ago caught out scientists massaging the data and making money off the back of it. People whose motivations are pure are to be admired but its a money maker for others. |
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Post by patchypete on Jan 23, 2020 19:46:48 GMT
Population population population , mankind can’t keep increasing at this rate, my example for this, is put x amount of rats in a secure environment, feed them a set amount of food, let them breed, leads to food shortages, leads to fighting and killing, strongest survives.
But it’s not just down to mankind, as we know a fair percentage of the world was covered in ice at some time, well something warmed it up and melted it all ?? No cars about then
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Post by bernie on Jan 23, 2020 20:36:27 GMT
Population population population , mankind can’t keep increasing at this rate, my example for this, is put x amount of rats in a secure environment, feed them a set amount of food, let them breed, leads to food shortages, leads to fighting and killing, strongest survives. But it’s not just down to mankind, as we know a fair percentage of the world was covered in ice at some time, well something warmed it up and melted it all ?? No cars about then You are so right, its more about population but very few politicians or journalists are prepared to discuss the issues because it throws up some incredibly unpalatable solutions. Most of the world still sees a large family as their security for the future and for the most part that is true because there is no other security. But more children are surviving and that creates other pressures. Its a very complicated subject, places like Nigeria the population is just exploding. Lagos has gone from 1.4 million in 1970 to way over 20 million today and its still growing. There are about twenty other cities in the world where the same thing it happening. San Paulo in Brazil is even bigger but the earning power of the city is dropping rather than growing as the city increases. |
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Post by wanderingwill on Jan 24, 2020 0:26:46 GMT
found this on piers corbyn weather action... www.weatheraction.com/We point out that the world is now cooling not warming and there is no observational evidence in the thousands and millions of years of data that changes in CO2 have any observable effect on weather or climate in the real world. There are no scientists in the world who can produce such observational data and we challenge anyone reading this to send us such observational evidence from the real world or find someone who can and get them to produce it. There is only effect the other way, namely that ocean temperatures control average CO2 levels due to basic laws of physics about the soluability of CO2 gas in (sea) water. Boris Johnson, the (then) Mayor of London has expressed interest in what we say: see article Thank you, Piers Corbyn, MSc (astrophysics), ARCS, FRAS, FRMetS Director WeatherAction |
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Post by valdez on Jan 25, 2020 22:11:32 GMT
well i think that the weather pattern is changing an we are helping it along but also think weather patterns do change and have changed all through time i recycle as much as i can my local tip has aboard saying over 90% of the stuff taken there is recycled but Briton is way down on the list of countrys really they should be preaching to India China USA
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Post by wanderingwill on Jan 25, 2020 23:40:39 GMT
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Post by fenrisulfr on Jan 26, 2020 8:25:35 GMT
well i think that the weather pattern is changing an we are helping it along but also think weather patterns do change and have changed all through time i recycle as much as i can my local tip has aboard saying over 90% of the stuff taken there is recycled but Briton is way down on the list of countrys really they should be preaching to India China USA The weather pattern has been changing for many thousands of years, that is a pure fact and at it's original speed of change mankind has managed to evolve along with it which is the natural way of things. IMHO what's been altered is that we have suddenly managed to turbocharge that change by raping the earth of it's limited resources, testing nuclear devices (butterfly flapping wings in a forest theory could be sooooo fckd up if applied to a big bang) and failing to have forward vision for our behaviour.
Complete and utter tossers like trump who are driven by greed and power are denying what's happening as they'd have to change their ways.
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Post by itinerantchild on Jan 26, 2020 10:53:18 GMT
I dont care what anyone says about cycles of thousands of years or whatever excuse they use to pretend that the planet is not really under a great threat. We have completely fucked and depleted this planet and the very speed the climate has changed of late shows that without a doubt.
A worldwide cull of people who dont give a fuck would be a great start,and the lesser population will mean that what resourses are left will be able to be managed but still with care.
One of these nasty virus's is going to be the universes answer to try and help the planet out I reckon !!
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Post by bernie on Jan 26, 2020 21:22:19 GMT
well i think that the weather pattern is changing an we are helping it along but also think weather patterns do change and have changed all through time i recycle as much as i can my local tip has aboard saying over 90% of the stuff taken there is recycled but Briton is way down on the list of countrys really they should be preaching to India China USA Its a very dubious method of deciding what constitutes waste being classified as recycled. The EU imposed quotas on us without discussion. And we had no real mechanism to cope. As long as a dustcart drives into a recycling plant, even if it never gets unloaded and drives out the back again it can still be classified as "considered" so the box gets ticked, its recycled. Glass goes to be pulverised and used in building blocks. I've no problem with that. Metal cans mostly get recycled, I have no problem with that. Paper, as in newspaper can be incinerated but 'shiny' paper and cardboard can't. Glossy magazines, brochures, birthday cards, and Christmas cards and catalogues, the ink contains heavy metals so can't be recycled or incinerated. Why not only use paper that can? Plastics HUGE PROBLEM! we can't recycle 90% of it and the 10% we can only gets recycled at excessive cost. We were paying China and Malaysia to take it but they were pocketing the cash and dumping it. We have to get our act together on this and stop flim flaming pretending its all under control when its clearly not |
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