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Post by danann on Dec 29, 2019 11:33:33 GMT
Do you believe? Or think?
That many teachings etc that has been lost and not teached now to young children be it from Elders/Grandparents/Parents Etc etc etc has made and added a bad vibe and lack of empathy and love and caring and respect for anything etc etc in people from young to throughout there lifeâs in todayâs modern society?
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Post by bigbear67 on Dec 29, 2019 12:10:33 GMT
Too many of the old ways are gone now. Not only things like survival skills etc but also respect for the land & animals & also respect for our fellow men. Nobody teaches any of it now, they all seem to want to only teach their offspring about greed & ignorance. The human race seems lost for now, wish for simpler times & better values. ...
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Post by patchypete on Dec 29, 2019 13:08:48 GMT
Yeah, I agree BB, I lot of morals have gone, people see no shame in trying to get one over on the system, robbing, thieving, scammers, etc.
I know of families who teach their kids to shoplift as they wonât be prosecuted if caught, and being told how to falsely claim benefits.
People who say that their little darlings are only expressing themselves as an excuse for bad behaviour . For example when we were at the panto the other day, surrounded by screaming little buggers, Mrs P said to one of them , aged about 8,â do you jump all over the seats at home like youâre doing now â
Response was, â yeah, so what â
Adults who design adverts for tv, showing kids jumping up and down on beds and sofas are just as much to blame, we tell our grandkids not to do it and they are surrounded by kids that do, arrghhh.
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Post by cornishharry on Dec 29, 2019 13:53:39 GMT
last year i caught two young kids trying to pinch stuff from my truck, i took them to their father, he promptly told them off, not for thieving but for getting caught.
when out own prime minister is a proven liar and a cheat what an example for kids today, yeah kids lie, cheat anything but as long as your making money it is ok, decency, honesty and respect are dirty words nowadays
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Post by VanWoman84 on Dec 29, 2019 14:09:17 GMT
Simple old fashioned manners. Cos nothing. So rare in kids these days.
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Post by danann on Dec 30, 2019 3:55:37 GMT
Firstly ... thank you all much for replying and sharing your thoughts on my post  xx And Yes I sooo totally agree with each and everyone of you in what your thoughts are and of what you see hear and feel I think it be truly sad that sooo many teachings like even the simple things that should come so easily and naturally like say ârespect and being respectful of all living things and people and respecting not only the things they have but also what others have etc and being simply âPolite and respectful like saying yes please and thankyou or no Thankyou Etcâ when asked by someone if they would like something or want something or get given something etc .. even teaching people and children to love and be kind and be understanding of all life and nature etc has been both not shown or both teached Sadly  For ALL off these things and everything that can be teached and shown are ALL FREE and do not cost anything except âA bit of time and patience etcâ which sadly nobody or most seems to have none or want to do anymore Also to teach and show discipline etc. Which does not have to mean a beating or abusive shouting and screaming at them etc ... there are many ways to teach and show discipline without those ... because there is a big difference between a slight smack or tap and a punch and hard beating etc ... BUT now it seems that parents or grandparents ... teachers etc FEAR disciplining children etc for fear of being âAccused of Abusive behaviour and abuse etc etc .. Itâs NOT Allowed or Accepted it seems And to be honest as well it seems sadly that a lot of parents âCannot Be Bothered Or Think There Children donât do anything wrong and make up excuses for them and in fact it seems sadly if anything that they teach them and send them the message of âItâs Ok And Acceptable for them to be Rude and Abusive and Disrespectful to Anybody and Anything both Verbally and Physically ... So itâs No Wonder there be And is sooo much Hate And Violence And Rascism and Thefts And Crimes and Destruction Etc Etc Now !! As Soooo Many Donât Care And Have No Care Or Respect For Anything Snd Anybody... And Itâs Not Just Down To Police Cuts Etc even though Yes it is a big part of rise in violence and crimes etc BUT itâs Also because there are More And More Young Teens And Young Adults and Even Shockingly Young Children causing and committing terrible things and violent crimes and damage and destruction where they be and go as they RESPECT NOTHING OR ANYBODY !! Because they think and believe it makes them seen and thought of and called âCOOL And HARD and TOUGH AND BIG Etc Etc â And in fact they get MORE PROTECTED by the Rules And Laws And Trendy Acceptable Thinking Of â Not Being Able To Discipline Them How They Should Be Disciplined â as it seems NOBODY can do that anymore ... Parents ..Teachers .. Police and People who they are being abusive too or who they are hurting and doing terrible destruction to peopleâs properties and violence to people etc etc etc âCos All They Come Out With Is âI KNOW MY RIGHTS !! You CANT TOUCH ME !! Etc etc etc !! yep itâs all just simply Crazy how much Power they have now and how much Control they have against ANY kind of Discipline against them And off course Added already to all this is the Power Of Social Media as they Brag and Show Pics And Make Videos Of Themselves Doing And Saying such horrible and often very cruel terrible things as they think itâs cool and big to do so !!! And they live in a Fake Untouchable world where they are not true to themselves or anybody they become what people and others want them to be and want them to be so that they can simply FIT IN !! In certain schools now from young ages they are experimenting with Teaching From Age Young Little Ones âEMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDINGâ of Others and Of The Life Around Them Etc !! Because the âSchools and Education Boards Etc Have Said And Stated And Seen That âSoooo Many Young Children Do NOT Have ANY Empathy or Understanding Or Caring âOF AND TOWARDS OTHERSâ Etc ... which is Soooo Bad And Shocking To Even Think !! But sadly IT IS TRUE !! So I believe and think that until the Laws And Trendy Naive Silly Thinkers ..who make up these Insane trendy ideas STOP Saying and Showing And Thinking That Itâs Abusive and that âEverything Is ABUSEâ when it comes to disciplining Young Children and There Own Children And All Parents Ways Of Disciplining Children And Teaching Them and showing them and making them understanding âWhat Is Right And Wrong And Acceptable And Non Acceptable Behaviour Etc Etc ... Things Are Only Going To Get Worse Sadly And Have An Ever Bigger Destructive Fallout Than it has And is Already Now Sadly So what would you do? and what would you think ? Of ways that could and would help this lost and forgotten teachings to young children and young people that could help parents and teachers and people stop this forever growing hate and crime and lack of respect for anything in life that sadly so many have now to help take back some control over the young youth and young children of today because as I said THEY are the ones it seems in Control ... not the parents or teachers or even the police etc because the FEAR nothing because to them it seems they have No Deterrent .. No Discipline .. No teaching or understanding of any right and wrong and care and respect ... nope they just get what they want and do what they want without A FEAR OR CARE OR RESPECT FOR ANYTHING OR ANYBODY AROUND THEM I have even heard |
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Post by NomadCris on Dec 30, 2019 10:02:21 GMT
The vast majority of younger generations have no interest in old ways or old values,theyre awash in vacuous content on media and internet,they tnink they know it all and all most are interested in is making money via youtube and other social media on the internet.
I watch a lot of social media channels such as bushcraft and off grid living and travel and while some of the content is useful (much of it old hat our older generations already know) its quite obvious from the very expensive high end quality kit theyre using theyre getting paid handsomely from sponsors and advertising to tell us what we already knew for free.
I grew up in a world of ignorance,religious descrimation and racist hate but there was at least some respect for elders authority and old values.
Over the years i felt it was getting a little better,that there was more tolerance and understanding creeping in especially in Northern Ireland even if the respect for elders was going out the window but everythings been turned upside down since the Trump campaign and Brexit.
A whole fresh load of hatred and intolerance is boiling away on the stove and politicians are perfectly happy stoking the fire while they blatantly line their own pockets in the chaos and lie that its all in our best interests.
Its only going to get worse,the writings on the wall with the latest attacks on Jews,where does it end.? Will it end? I dont think so.
Pandoras box has been opened and it will be a few generations after ive passed on before things may get better.
The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle classâthe bulwark of a capitalist systemâthat would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism.
Karl Marx died in 1883 but so far -love him or loath him - hes been spot on. Our society is broken because we let it happen time and again.
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Post by danann on Dec 31, 2019 11:12:27 GMT
The vast majority of younger generations have no interest in old ways or old values,theyre awash in vacuous content on media and internet,they tnink they know it all and all most are interested in is making money via youtube and other social media on the internet. I watch a lot of social media channels such as bushcraft and off grid living and travel and while some of the content is useful (much of it old hat our older generations already know) its quite obvious from the very expensive high end quality kit theyre using theyre getting paid handsomely from sponsors and advertising to tell us what we already knew for free. I grew up in a world of ignorance,religious descrimation and racist hate but there was at least some respect for elders authority and old values. Over the years i felt it was getting a little better,that there was more tolerance and understanding creeping in especially in Northern Ireland even if the respect for elders was going out the window but everythings been turned upside down since the Trump campaign and Brexit. A whole fresh load of hatred and intolerance is boiling away on the stove and politicians are perfectly happy stoking the fire while they blatantly line their own pockets in the chaos and lie that its all in our best interests. Its only going to get worse,the writings on the wall with the latest attacks on Jews,where does it end.? Will it end? I dont think so. Pandoras box has been opened and it will be a few generations after ive passed on before things may get better. The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle classâthe bulwark of a capitalist systemâthat would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism. Karl Marx died in 1883 but so far -love him or loath him - hes been spot on. Our society is broken because we let it happen time and again. Your words of what you wrote NomadiCris Were And Are Sadly Soooo True And they be both very Sad and Very Powerful ... For they speak the truth of the Forever Hate And The Brokeness Of this Society And the Brokeness Of Sadly Soooo Many Of Itâs People . And this World Of Man stands by and sees it happening but yet Time And Time Again Society And Itâs People Just Let It Happen Over And Over Again Sadly |
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Post by VanWoman84 on Dec 31, 2019 11:17:43 GMT
I can't help thinking. 'The State' take away the powers of teachers to discipline, then don't understand why there's a total lack of respect for authority.
Give kids too many 'rights' and this I where you end up...
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Post by danann on Dec 31, 2019 11:34:46 GMT
I can't help thinking. 'The State' take away the powers of teachers to discipline, then don't understand why there's a total lack of respect for authority. Give kids too many 'rights' and this I where you end up... Sadly VanWoman84 it be NOT just the Teachers that the Powerful People Of this Lands that have had All there Rights And Respectfulness And Powers to Discipline The Children FOR Sadly it be the PARENTS as Well !! Thanks to the People who say and scream out âChild Abuseâ at Every Turn And Every Form Of Discipline !! So all children well Most And forever growing amounts of children sadly Respect in this World Is âPOWERâ and BOTH TEACHERS AND PARENTS ETC have had that TAKEN AWAY !! So it be simple really âWithout RESPECT OR Care Of Anything Or Anyone .. . as THE POWER and RESPECT was taken away By âTHE STATE & CHILD ABUSE SCREAMERS â!!! To Ban âThe Power Of Discipline â by Parents Snd Teachers !! They Took Away The Childrenâs RESPECT Of Them Sadly So you end up with a land of Out Of Control And Disrespectful Non Caring Many Children And Young Youth !! Who Only RESPECT THEMSELVES As They HAVE AND HOLD THE POWER !! Over Teachers And Parents And Anybody And The WEILD IT LIKE AN OUT OF CONTROL WEAPON !!! To Use On ANYBODY SND ANYTHING they SEE FIT AND CHOOSE !! for they know THERE IS NO DISCIPLINE AND CONSEQUENCES TO STOP THEM |
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Post by itinerantchild on Dec 31, 2019 12:07:25 GMT
In glastonbury town quite a few years back when visiting with my breton girlfriend of the time we were walking down the road and a group of four kids probably 8 to 10 walked past us and smashed a bottle in the middle of the road.
I said instantly with menace " right,go and pick up every piece now ", To which I got a " why,what the fuck are going to do about you wanker " thinking that I would be scared to anything as could be arrested if I did. They got the wrong fella that day :-)
I grabbed the mouthy little shit by his ear and dragged him out onto the road by it and pushed him to the ground and made him start picking up the glass. One of his mates was giving it all " take your fucking hands off my mate you c word ", He got a thick ear too and joined in the glass picking and I got a round of applause of everyone else around who were too scared to do anything !!
There is a time and place for discipline and a time and place to share love and guiding words,this was certainly a discipline situation. Some guy waiting for a bus said well done mate,none of us would dare risk doing that nowadays !!
If those little gits,who also have the potential to be great little kids were guided properly by both parents and the system,then that situation would not of happened.
I see so much less of young attitude here in France where family time is hugely important and kids do respect their elders as a rule,but even here I have seen a great change over the last couple of decades and my blame is directed at the american crap that they are watching on their tv's that was not available here back when I first came here. I will still say that all in all french kids are some of the best that I have known for manners and politeness. I am sure in the cities it is a different kettle of fish however,but the reward of eating together aound the table,spending sundays with the family and doing stuff together is certainly evident in France.
I have told my ex off quite a few times ( she is still my best mate ) about her swearing in front of her kids. If you want the children to grow up in a civilized manner,then it is important to set an example in front of them.
What Danann says is true,with good teachings and giving them love and compassion and more importantly listening to them properly is of huge importance and if done well,then maybe the need for an authoritarian approach may be avoided.
Most kids will get involved in a bit of tomfoolery from time to time and will not think of the consequences of their actions,so do try to remember that they are not being evil little shits,they are just not yet considering the outcome of their naughtiness.
I did loads of naughy stuff but was actually a good kid,its just that I did not understand the problems that I was causing from being a little git. Kids will be kids and only in situations like my glastonbury experience should strict authority be laid down as telling them that they are naughty little tykes does not work at times like that.
I find that talking to them as if they are adults works well and by treating them as my equal.
The last thing a kid wants to hear is some old fogey banging on about it wasnt like this in their day !! Which is true,most of us were naughty at times and overstepped the bounderies that were set for us. why,because we were kids :-)
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Post by valdez on Jan 1, 2020 22:28:57 GMT
there are a lot of good kids about today but you tend to only hear about the dick heads my mam brought me up to have manners and to be right with people an working down pit you shown respect to older an others or you ended up with a warm tab
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Post by danann on Jan 4, 2020 0:25:52 GMT
I was Naughtie when little Danann and still Naughtie now big Danann Itinerantchild hehehehe But Not a Bad Cruel Evil Naughtie more just like silly mischief and not doing what I be told as I wanted to explore and run wild and be wild and free and not be doing what I thought then as âBoring Stuff Like Helping my mother doing Chores â hahaha and Now I still rebel against rules and when somebody says âyou gotta do this and gotta do that Etcâ I tend to think Rules are for breaking and fight against rules like a wild colt pony fighting the saddle my father would say I be like .. as I very wild and fought against âThe Proper ways and proper things little girls were supposed to doâ hehehehe nope I wanted to be one of The Warriors... The Explorers Etc Etc hehehe Iâm sure my father found it really funny as I use to here him giggle quietly when he got told by the elders what mischief I got up too but my mother never found it funny at all and would sit me down and give me a good telling off but when she saw my big eyes water and my bottom lip tremble ... she then would give me a big huggg and say itâs ok little Danann itâs not your fault itâs your fathers hahahahahaha hehehehe ... as she thought he secretly loved my wildness and fearlessness and mischief because instead of telling me off he would end up having to walk away so that I didnât see him secretly giggle hahahaha But silly mischief and naughtiness is a lot different from the violence and no respect of Sadly many children today but thankfully not all children that way and will listen in there own way taking all in and understanding the true real difference between right and wrong . And doing Naughtie harmless kids stuff that kids do but itâs when the Kids Turn Into What They think they are Adults and so therefore can do bad adult things etc ... so there is a big difference between the two I think |
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Post by danann on Jan 4, 2020 0:33:46 GMT
THats sooo True Valdez we sadly do only seem to hear only about what the bad kids do ... as we live in a world where so many people donât wanna hear good happy news be it news on tv or newspapers or social media as that donât SELL ... nope Bad News Done By Bad People Whether young or older SELLS and Makes the tv news and newspapers and social media sadly And I think thatâs most of the problem these days as well ... people seem only interested in Bad and not the good or the happy ... but at least there still are many also who are Not only interested in the Bad as well and Raised to respect Elders and Others Still in this world ... |
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